Zeratul Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 There was a few of us at Membury airfield trading last Tuesday and one was of us did their first flight. I'm not sure what his/your name is, and I didn't want to just post the video of your landing, but you were unfortunate to catch a change of direction of wind as you landed and came down with a bit of a thud! I literally only got the landing but I did capture it and felt I should let you know in case you didn't get in on another phone. [was going to post in the PMC Membury Airfield Club section but there wasn't an option to create a post!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyy Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Hi, that would have been me! If you could that would be great. It would be good to see it and see what happened. Plus everyone can have a little giggle at me lol. andy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratul Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 It looks a lot worst than it was! Apologies for not capturing more but I need a new mobile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyy Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Thanks man. It doesn't look as bad as I felt in the morning lol. Can't wait to get back up and land properly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratul Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 Well - you seemed to be walking about normally afterwards, so thats always a good thing The clip is litterally all I got... funny how it ends with you flat on your face and looks like your not moving! Bet it was great getting up there tho, well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyy Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Yeah I should have stuck the second landing really instead of on my face. I'm all good now just a bit sore I have done a lot worse on mountain bikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Well done, it did cause a laugh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 No damage to the cage, prop or wallet? Lucky! Only conclusion I can make from the few seconds is that you flared too late. Just one second earlier and it would be a stylish swoop. A little steady brake the last meters gives a lot more control as the speed drops, but still leaves you with lots of brake authority left for a powerful flare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyy Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 What you don't see in the video is that I suddenly dropped about 10 feet up and didn't react fast enough. But hey I learnt a lesson and know what to do next time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Wow ' I guess that's a parajet pretty sure nothing else would survive that . Cas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Makes me cringe watching that Cool that your not put off by it Andy and not injured. The landing was perfect (if the ground was 4 foot lower)! Motor was 100% OK and 0 damage to prop Cas Let's have no more of those though please! SW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyy Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I would be lying if i said I wasn't a bit nervous for next time based on this, however I now know how it all feels and am confident I will be on my feet next time. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregwatson Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 On 30/07/2017 at 00:30, andyy said: What you don't see in the video is that I suddenly dropped about 10 feet up and didn't react fast enough. But hey I learnt a lesson and know what to do next time What would you do differently next time then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi k Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I know i'll get shot from him , but if the trainee pilot was radio linked to the instructor i blame the instructor, and as for different next time several different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyy Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Well the obvious one would be to flare a lot earlier and more. But given what happened I was a little shocked and did not react fast enough. Nothing to do with the instructor, had my reactions been better there would not have been an issue, the weather/ wind on the day had been good for a long time before I went up but unfortunately changed just as I came in. Plus I'm a big boy and can except responsibility for my mistakes, the way I see it is if your going to do a sport like this although it should not happen every now and then extenuating circumstances will happen and most of it was my error/reaction time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi k Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 We'll agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I actually do hold my hand up to being at fault here. Be it, a bad call on the weather or a bad call on the flair. This I think is why the vast majority of pilots do not want to teach people I guess. I have re-calibrated again and extended the safety window further. It is tricky though when we had 15-20 mins of the wind soc pointing the same way only to change 180 on landing (at one end of the airfield) I have been teaching now full time for well over 10 years 7 of them at Membury this was a very unusual weather occurrence for the site on a day when the wind direction was firm and steady. I would have put my wife, parents or any other family member up on the same day at the same time. (which is how I always look at it) All is well that ends well, but make no mistake I am very aware that we are both lucky in this instance. SW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Fair play for being frank there Simon. The weather will always throw a curve ball occasionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Good on you Simon - and, as Alan says, unpredictable changes in the weather is just part of what you have to be aware of if you fly a paramotor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I'm impressed by the lack of any damage to the machine of prop........very robust as it was quite a thump, bum down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurff Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 23 hours ago, andyy said: Well the obvious one would be to flare a lot earlier and more. But given what happened I was a little shocked and did not react fast enough. Nothing to do with the instructor, had my reactions been better there would not have been an issue, the weather/ wind on the day had been good for a long time before I went up but unfortunately changed just as I came in. Plus I'm a big boy and can except responsibility for my mistakes, the way I see it is if your going to do a sport like this although it should not happen every now and then extenuating circumstances will happen and most of it was my error/reaction time. Hi Andyy Glad to hear you're ok. Just one thing about being nervous after a shi*y incident. On my third flight *attempt* I sat down too early and broke the prop, pride and my confidence. I literally drove home and thought sod this, maybe it's not for me. And yes I was nervous on the next take off, not going to lie. However as soon as my feet lifted, I forgot about nerves and remembered why I love this sport. I've come down on my ar*e a few times since, only lately getting the flare/timing right. So I just wanted to say I think nerves after something like this is normal, it won't be like that everytime and this still will put a massive smile on your face when you nail it. Good luck on your next flight Danny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyy Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Thanks smurff. I can't wait to get back up and land correctly, even with the bump at the end of the day I loved the whole day and have thought of nothing else since! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I wish I had a video of my unintentional landing yesterday. I was practicing touch and goes for the first time. All going well until number 5 when I must have been getting a bit over-confident. The field had very long grass in big clumps. Touched down, started running, caught toe on tuft and face planted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamjedgar Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) If that was your first landing ever, i dont think you should be too concerned. It was just a steep descent followed by a late flare...as one other commentator mentioned, ground a few feet lower would have resulted in a perfect landing. Speaking mostly for myself, I have made that mistake...well after having completed many landings let alone my first one. It is one of the downsides of a non powered approach with trimmers closed. Paragliders simply dont have enough forward energy and airspeed variation in that configuration to convert the steep non powered descent into a flare that low to the ground. Its a fine line between perfect and heavy touch down as you found out. I am only now (After flying motors for 2 years) deciding to let the trimmers out a little and come in faster with a flatter approach. Looking back i think the lesser of the two evils is a difficult one to judge...slow and potentially heavy, or fast and go ass over head at lightspeed Edited August 23, 2017 by adamjedgar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 My Roadster 2 is very forgiving and I can't tell any difference between trimmers in or out at landing with regards to flare. Both scenarios have easily enough flare ability to stop on a spot. Trimmers in has a slower rate of descent and a slower forward speed. Trimmers out has higher speed, because of its higher rate of descent! Hence, the wings ability to flare is the same in either case. The difference between the 2 is the speed at which you pull the brakes to flare. Trimmers in (slow) requires the flare from hands up to full brake much quicker than with trimmers out. With trimmers out the flare takes longer as you have more speed to scrub off and pull the brakes more slowly, aiming to keep your feet just above the ground until you have slowed down. If you have a clutched machine, engine on and at idle makes no difference. Using power while landing is something to be done with great care. If you power off before you actually touch down then you swing back and accelerate towards the ground! Hence you need to power off high enough up that the swing back, then swing forward can stabilise before you reach the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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