rsquared Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Unlike all you lucky fellow members who can fly......me, I am still grounded until I sell some land and get some cash....then look out! So, in the meantime, I am restricted to fulfilling my ambitions of flying to watching videos of those who can fly. What gets my goat, and I really cannot understand the meaning behind it, is that pilots choose to add a "smoke machine" to their paramotor. What is worse.....is that these pilots do it in an environment with huge publicity, annual events, fly-ins, and promotional fairs. Am I missing something here? To me.....if we want to promote our sport to the general public, so as to attract new pilots, as well as be accepted for what we do.....in this "environmentally fragile" awareness, spewing out smoke (regardless of how harmless it may be) while flying in some of the worlds most beautiful locations....does not paint a pretty picture. If I was a spectator at one of these events, (and knew nothing about our sport) and watched in fascination, these guys flying around, then all of a sudden they started spewing out this smoke stream....I would first think, there is something wrong with the machine and also be thinking about the pollution it was creating......then afterwards when it became obvious that the smoke was deliberate, I would ask.....Why the smoke? Ok...I have had my rant, thank you. Any comments? Agree or disagree? I am curious to know what the rest of you guys think. Cheers. Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 It's to provide a display, I would say it's probably safer than towing a streamer which can also be used for display. Just think of the Red Arrows with their red white and blue smoke, but on a slower scale Cheers, Alan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irm750 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'm with Alan. It seems to work for the Red Arrows! Although trying to scribe a vertical heart in the sky might be a bit trickier with our kit! Regards, Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsquared Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Thanks guys......I do understand that it is for display purposes, when done at 500 feet above the ground it is ok. Some of the footage I have seen is done close to the ground....and the lingering aftermath of the smoke diminishes the effect of the "display". Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spigot Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Can't think of anything better than the lingering smell of 2 stroke and a waft of smoke, to attack the senses and give a third dimension to a display. It's not as if a kitten dies every time the smoke button is pressed Sent from my iPhone using PMC Forum mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsquared Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Wow! It must stem from my free-flying days.....fresh air, just the sound of the wind through your risers and all that. If people enjoy it, then let it be....did not expect these responses, but I do appreciate them all the same. Cheers. Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Has anyone done an Organic dye coloured smoke yet in the PPG world? SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Free flying guys are no different. Watch the acro guys as they rip the pin on a smoke can, then start a routine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsquared Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Ok, maybe I didn't explain it very good. I have no problem with the Red Arrows.... I have no problem with acro pilots that have coloured smoke canisters strapped to their ankles..... When I see white smoke spewing out the exhaust of an engine.....I do not see a "display", I see pollution or a "blown engine". Maybe if the smoke was coloured....then I might see a "display". That's it for me. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Biplane stunt pilots use the exhaust to produce their smoke trails for a show. I think it's just the norm. The solution doesn't last long, I think coloured smoke grenades is an easier alternative, but you can't turn it on and off like the exhaust based smoke system. What if they used lavender oil and it smelt like flowers as they went around polluting the air, that would be confusing for the Green Party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptwizz Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Vince, I think you're describing a Honda TV ad from a couple of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsquared Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Ok......one last time. I am only talking about paramotors, not bi-planes, not Red Arrows, not free flying acro pilots....how simple do I have to make this? Hope you all appreciate the fact that you can fly while the rest of us can only dream. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick1 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 If you want some smoke, this is the stuff: http://www.chutingstar.com/skydive/skydiver-smoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptwizz Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 In an attempt to answer the question: Exhaust smoke can easily be made by injecting oil into the hot exhaust. Such a system is easy to construct and can be switched on and off at will. Coloured smoke canisters cannot be 'switched off'. So it comes to pass that of those who wish to show off with smoke, many choose the exhaust smoke system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 you could use castrol R as smoke oil . loverly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I had a friend that smoke while flying, always twice as high as me, what ever altitude I was at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdEves Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Exhaust smoke doesn't have to be white. Smoke oil dyes are available . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 ANY organic pigment will do Good luck getting the stains off EVERYTHING though. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallboy Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 You just got to love a bit of smoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 [vimeo] [/vimeo]SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyscrofer Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 On 11/18/2014 at 2:32 PM, rsquared said: Unlike all you lucky fellow members who can fly......me, I am still grounded until I sell some land and get some cash....then look out! So, in the meantime, I am restricted to fulfilling my ambitions of flying to watching videos of those who can fly. What gets my goat, and I really cannot understand the meaning behind it, is that pilots choose to add a "smoke machine" to their paramotor. What is worse.....is that these pilots do it in an environment with huge publicity, annual events, fly-ins, and promotional fairs. Am I missing something here? To me.....if we want to promote our sport to the general public, so as to attract new pilots, as well as be accepted for what we do.....in this "environmentally fragile" awareness, spewing out smoke (regardless of how harmless it may be) while flying in some of the worlds most beautiful locations....does not paint a pretty picture. If I was a spectator at one of these events, (and knew nothing about our sport) and watched in fascination, these guys flying around, then all of a sudden they started spewing out this smoke stream....I would first think, there is something wrong with the machine and also be thinking about the pollution it was creating......then afterwards when it became obvious that the smoke was deliberate, I would ask.....Why the smoke? Ok...I have had my rant, thank you. Any comments? Agree or disagree? I am curious to know what the rest of you guys think. Cheers. Rob. Ok to way lay your worries Avionics oil that the red arrows use burns off in the exhaust also it’s that high it disperses in the air The smoke on paramotors is normally mineral oil again disperses in the air over time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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