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Anybody buy paramotors from Russia?


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I am not sure what you are after.

I do not know the company, which owns speedboat.ml but If you ask about paramotors, they are selling SkyMax, Skymaxavia.ru

I do not know, who is the manufacturer of trikes if you are after trikes.

Our paramotor team (Russian team, wmonkeys.ru) has been working with Skymax for several years. The quality and customer service is considered to be the best in Russia. Couple years ago when Skymax started the project with "Expedition" they started international sales. Trey regularly participate in Paragliding events, they were at Coupe Icaro last year and the next one is Parafest 2017 in Britain, if I am not mistaken. 

I moved to Britain 3 years ago and still fly Skymax Compact. 

Feel free to contact me further if I can be of any help.

 

 

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Buying from a dealer/manufacturer from another country is only good if you can get spares quickly and there responsive to your emails when you have problems. Having a local UK dealer may not be the cheapest route but generally the service back up pays for it self when you do get issues... There is nothing worse than having to wait 2-3 months for cage quarters etc.. 

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18 hours ago, craigo198 said:

I like this guy's design from Russia.  What do you think about construction? https://vk.com/photo248692758_413900681

I have not seen this frame but knowing where it comes from I definitely would not go for this option. Sorry, I do not want to post any negative personal comments here. 

 

8 hours ago, morgy said:

Buying from a dealer/manufacturer from another country is only good if you can get spares quickly and there responsive to your emails when you have problems. Having a local UK dealer may not be the cheapest route but generally the service back up pays for it self when you do get issues... There is nothing worse than having to wait 2-3 months for cage quarters etc.. 

These guys (Skymax) are really good in customer service. Hopefully they are going to be at Parafest. They are very responsive, however there will be a 1 - 2 weeks waiting time for delivery of spares from Russia to the UK and Europe (unless they will have a stock here). I would have a spare section of Expedition frame if I go for Expedition option. All the other spares (props for Moster, etc) can be bought in the UK.

In the US there are several pilots flying Expedition frame with Moster. Skymax just arranged the distribution deal for the US. I am sure they can provide you with contacts of US pilots to get the direct feedback. And probably having distributors they arre going to stock the spares in US..

 

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12 hours ago, Ivan said:

I have not seen this frame but knowing where it comes from I definitely would not go for this option. Sorry, I do not want to post any negative personal comments here. 

 

 

You cant post any more info on this?  Your comment is already coming off as negative so why does it matter what you say?  Would just like an honest answer.

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15 hours ago, morgy said:

Buying from a dealer/manufacturer from another country is only good if you can get spares quickly and there responsive to your emails when you have problems. Having a local UK dealer may not be the cheapest route but generally the service back up pays for it self when you do get issues... There is nothing worse than having to wait 2-3 months for cage quarters etc.. 

This is true but my question is if anybody has dealt with these guys?  How was their experience with the paramotor?

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On 03/11/2017 at 04:36, Kemblkr said:

I’m in the US and I have a SkyMax,  Star frame and Moster 185 Plus.  It is simply amazing and is one of the strongest frames I have seen.   Dry weight ready to fly was 52 pounds.  I would buy another in a minute, no regrets.  

so that weight includes battery etc? sounds good! 23.5kg

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On 23/12/2017 at 23:45, admin (Simon W) said:

Russia knows Titanium and many of our cages are made from it :-) 

SW :D 

 

And to think that the UK was a world leader in specialist welding!!!! Much of chemical industry (have we still got any left) uses Ti. Just think where those Nuclear subs get their condenser heat exchangers from! These are what in part determine maximum depth as they open to sea pressure......but I had to sign this official secrets thing before working on them!!!!!

There are still dozens of UK coded specialist welding companies. I think Russia is cheap labour!

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I do not think it is about cheap labour or welding mate, I have been to SkyMax factory a month ago.  :)

Have not been to the UK nuclear subs, sorry... )))

It is about manutacturing the titanium alloys and tubes. Trust me - Airbus is placing an orders for manufacturing the undercarriage parts in Russia not because of the cheap welding, but because of the fact that Ti alloys are manufactured in Russia and the technology to process it is quite developed there. 

PS We are to get our SkyMax Star frames in late February. It takes a bit longer to get them as we decided to go for tailored type with 18l fuel tanks (standard is 15L) and will do a full review then.

 

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Wrong Ivan. I worked with top spec Ti welding for 25 years. The UK is more than capable but is too expensive. Even el-cheapo carbon steel fabrication also goes to cheap labour countries now!!! As a result, the Uk manufacturing base has been declining for years and it has been increasing in the countries of cheap labour. Just think about why the UK, who were the world leaders in ship building, now don't build ships.

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Andy, I can only reiterate - there is no cheap labour at SkyMax, you are free not to believe me, its your choice :)

Alloys are cheaper indeed but not the labour. 

I agree what you telling about the ships but that was not my point so cant see where I am wrong :(

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Andy, it is really good that you made an effort to look into this :D If you have the numbers for SkyMax labour cost it is even better :D:D:D waiting for you posting the payslips to prove the point :D I am sure you know better then me visiting the factory last month :D

From my side I can reply to you with some research on submarines (if I am correct in understanding your reference to something secret - UK made Titanium submarines, thats why our industry is the best :D) . 

So, here we go - UK has eleven nuclear submarines (and some of them even working occasionally, according to the Daily Mail :D). Russia has 40 (!) of them.

Therefore I presume Russia either has a very well developed Titanium manufacturing industry   -     either buying the old British submarines to scrap some Ti from them     -    either they all are made in China because of the cheap labour :D:D:D

Being serious 9_9 out cross country team wmonkeys.co.uk decided to swap our frames to new Star type by SkyMax. I am literally going to NatWest this morning to arrange the payment. Frames are going to be made by special order as will have non standard fuel tanks, 18 litres instead of 15 litres. Hoping to see them here in the UK in the end of Feb. :coptor:

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I wotked at Raleigh’s Special Bicycle Development Unit in the late 80’s/early 90’s. I was building Ti frames from scrapped Russian subs back then as they were industry leaders with huge stockpiles to sell at the end of the cold war. They also had huge tecnical knowledge of Ti manfacturing due to the space/nuclear programs.

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Hi All,

I'm a very novice flyer with a fitter/machinist background, and over the last year I researched quite a few manufacturers from Scout through to Blackhawk and there's probably many I didn't even look into as I think I was going into Info Overload by the end. During my research I had overlooked Skymax on many occasions as I was more keen on a U.S, EU manufacture rig.

Whilst doing my training, the eldest mentioned he would like to take up the sport, and as a he is a light weight and after talking to a guy with over 10 years experience flying, he suggested looking at the Skymax Expedition. Fortunately, Adrian from Backpack Airsports was heading past the next week with an Expedition, perfect... 

Well, aside from the standard marketing, light weight, stronger new fuel bag material etc that I had familiarized myself with from net over the week prior, I was Impressed.

The machined components and finish were top notch, through to the stitching on the harness/straps etc. Sold yes, but not yet.

What really sealed the deal, was Adrian's integrity as an importer, sales, service and stock of spares.  So I went the Star, and if it proves to be the goods, the eldest can have it when ready and I'll take another for myself.

As for the price point, maybe it's a case of breaking into a new market, maybe the big players are overpriced, not sure. Anyway, I will see, said the blind man to the deaf dog......

 

 

Dem Crazy Russians........

 

 

     

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This guy has done it on purpose on request of SkyMax to prove that the frame can survive any power launch 

This video was very useful for me because I wanted to be downright sure that the frame is solid enough. 

Two days ago one more guy here at Wirral has broken his prop when doing power launch with Tornado engine and well known frame, more expensive then one buy SkyMax..

Can't wait to get my hands on mine...

For me more important then price was the fact that these frames are smart. To eliminate any twist tendency they made horns of peculiar shape and they - left and right horns - are different (!) Central shaft allows you to shift the weight and correct any tendency of the wing to turn left / right...

Sorry for the quality of the pictures was too thrilled with discussion about the frame so didn't take proper pictures.

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Hands on, you and me both Ivan.

Another selling point for me was the weight, 22kg dry with the Moster Plus. Fully fueled it comes in at around 33 /34kg give or take.

The training rig I flew came in about that without fuel.

I suppose your first purchase is always going to be a bit nerve racking, but I feel pretty confident on this one. Maybe after gaining some hours and meeting more flyers I may get a chance to fly other rigs. Until then, I can only give a one sided novices opinion when I start flying it in a couple of weeks, waiting on the wing.

Anyway, time will tell......

 

 

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Finally took delivery of my new Skymax Star after waiting for the wing, Dudek Universal 1.1

I purchased both through Adrian @ Backpack Airsports in South Australia.

Adrian's business acriment, professionalism and knowlege are in my opinion second to none.

Awesome experience to say the least...:D:D:D

 

 

 

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Super! )))

We just got ours, get them assembled and I run in the engine (Moster Plus) yesterday.

We have not flown ours yet as the weather in Britain was rubish... Bore Chasers was cancelled...

A bit of advice for this frame - just use a piece of plastic tie to fix the throttle to the frame - it will indemnify you forever from throttle cable going into prop. Just do not overtighten it to let the cable moove freely inside.

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