jean-christophe Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Following the end of another topic, I propose to try to have a precise value of weignt. If many of us have the same paramotor, you can, for example, add your measure to the previous, we can make an average estimation. Weight is measured ready to fly, but without any fuel. Copy and complete this list : Dont laugh with the first (mine) : JPX 425 - rigid stainless steel frame and cage, 80cm wood prop - 27kg Flat-Top 200 with 2 blade prop 29 kilos dry weight. approx 80 kg thrust Jean-Christophe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 JPX 425 - rigid stainless steel frame and cage, 80cm wood prop - 27kg Flat-Top 200 with 2 blade prop 29 kilos dry weight. approx 80 kg thrust Fresh Breeze Airboss - Solo 210 - 4 part aluminium cage - 122cm carbon prop - incl. separate harness, 30.4kg Cheers, Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 JPX 425 - rigid stainless steel frame and cage, 80cm wood prop - 27kgFlat-Top 200 with 2 blade prop 29 kilos dry weight. approx 80 kg thrust Fresh Breeze Airboss - Solo 210 - 4 part aluminium cage - 122cm carbon prop - incl. separate harness, 30.4kg Pap Top 80 1250 23.4kgs dry weight, 41.5kgs of thrust with wooden prop. Unit was weighed on calibrated scales at work and tested on Jim Carolan's thrust tester. I presently have a Pap Top 80 1400 but have not weighed it yet. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanman Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 These weights should also not include a reserve installation. Also worth mentioning what kind of strt system you have as there can be 3 options on some machines... pull start only electric startonly or both. If you have electric start there can also be a big difference if you are using a lead acid battery or a lithium battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer_Dave Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Good point indeed Fanman Here's the 3 units I weighed Flat-Top 200 electric start 2 blade carbon prop 80 kgs thrust 29 kgs H&E 120 pull start 2 blade wood prop 55 kgs thrust 29 kgs Walkerjet 200 electric start 2 blade wood prop70 kgs thrust 29 kgs Might also be worth mentioning that a fuel efficient unit would require less weight of fuel so if you have a really heavy unit that burns over 5 litres per hour you could be struggling. Also a really powerfull unit can get you off the ground with ease even if it is almost 30 kgs and only sip 3 litres per hour at level cruise . In short, one can put all these accurate figures on a chart for all to see but there are other variables which might come into play. It's a science Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave24 Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 A friend showed me a list of paramotors and their claimed weights (as advertised on their web-sites). At a paramotor meet it got a lot of cries of horror and suggestions that certain manufacturers be strung up for making false claims. Here are some claimed weights (assuming "as sold" - motor and harness - no fuel). I personally don't know which ones actually reflect reality, so if anyone out there can give true "as sold" figures it would be a great help: Claimed ("as sold" weights): Parajet Volution Compact - 26kg Volution Macro - 27kg Flat Top (converted from lbs) 120 - 21kg 160 - 27kg 200 - 29kg PAP Top 80 - 25kg Ros 125 - 27kg Rad Arrow Classic - 17.5kg Javelin Classic - 18.5kg H&E R80 - 22kg R120 - 23kg Reading the forums allI ever hear about Parajet is that they are "bloody heavy". I don't understand why I see thei comment if they're only 26-27kg. The RAD sounds very low. Anyone know why the claimed weights are so low? Any thoughts? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 [quote="Dave24 Claimed ("as sold" weights)] Hi Dave I suspect the Rad weights do not include the harness but can't be sure. Anyone got an Arrow or Javelin? I'd be interested to find out. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave24 Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I understand that there are a few variables that could be included, but comparing your actual (reported) weights to the (claimed) "as sold" weights from my original list: Parajet Volution Compact - 26kg (claimed) - need data here Volution Macro - 27kg (claimed) - need data here Flat Top 200 - 29kg (claimed) - 29kg (reported) PAP Top 80 - 25kg (claimed) - 23.4kg (reported) Rad Arrow Classic - 17.5kg (claimed) - need data here Javelin Classic - 18.5kg (claimed) - need data here H&E R120 - 23kg (claimed) - 29kg (reported) Fresh Breeze Solo 210 - 29kg+ (claimed) - 30.4kg (reported) Looks like H&E (claimed) figures are out (are we missing something?). Let's have some reported data from Parajet and Rad owners. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Parajet Volution Compact - 26kg (claimed) - need data here Volution Macro - 27kg (claimed) - need data here Flat Top 200 - 29kg (claimed) - 29kg (reported) PAP Top 80 - 25kg (claimed) - 23.4kg (reported) Rad Arrow Classic - 17.5kg (claimed) - need data here Javelin Classic - 18.5kg (claimed) - need data here H&E R120 - 23kg (claimed) - 29kg (reported) Fresh Breeze Solo 210 - 29kg+ (claimed) - 30.4kg (reported) I believe FB say 'from' xx weight. I have the double ring cage which of course is heavier than the single ring cage. Sorry if I caused any confusion, Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave24 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 You're right Alan, Freesh Breeze (I understand) do say: Weight - from Xkg (which must be why the list I was given says "29+kg" for each Because you can choose hang-points/harness/etc, I think they say that the weight depends on which options you choose. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave24 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 We could use Jean christophe's input - for the Special Edition he measured 32.5kg "average" and the SE is 1.4kg lighter than the standard Compact (which would make it 34kg): Parajet Volution Compact - 26kg (claimed) - 34kg (reported) Flat Top 200 - 29kg (claimed) - 29kg (reported) PAP Top 80 - 25kg (claimed) - 23.4kg (reported) - interesting that this is lower Rad Arrow Classic - 17.5kg (claimed) - need data here Javelin Classic - 18.5kg (claimed) - need data here H&E R120 - 23kg (claimed) - 29kg (reported) Fresh Breeze Solo 210 - "from 29kg" (claimed) - 30.4kg (reported) We could still do with data from anyone with a Rad - or from anyone with other versions of the other brands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommcb6016 Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Just stuck my Macro on the scales and it's 35.4kg ready to fly without reserve and 37.9kg with reserve !! that's before I put any bloody fuel in Tom Parajet Volution Compact - 26kg (claimed) - 34kg (reported) Volution Macro - 27kg (claimed) - 35.4kg Flat Top 200 - 29kg (claimed) - 29kg (reported) PAP Top 80 - 25kg (claimed) - 23.4kg (reported) - interesting that this is lower Rad Arrow Classic - 17.5kg (claimed) - need data here Javelin Classic - 18.5kg (claimed) - need data here H&E R120 - 23kg (claimed) - 29kg (reported) Fresh Breeze Solo 210 - "from 29kg" (claimed) - 30.4kg (reported) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommcb6016 Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Just to add that is with a micro avionics strobe,electric start with a two blade carbon prop. I'm not interested in manufacturer bashing as I wouldn't have bought the motor with out flying one first and it was just as heavy when I bought it ! Although it is a heavy motor I would not fly anything else as I think it's a great machine and my next motor will most likely be a Parajet too Bring on the Cyclone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savage Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 H&ER120 - 23kg (claimed) - 29kg (reported) Just to correct the above, HE claim 27Kgs for the 125prop version. I agree with the 29Kg real weight, mine was closer to 30 with a 17L tank, 130prop, cage strengthening bar and extra rear engine mounts. Stuart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave24 Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I agree with you Tommcb6016. I'm not interested in bashing anyone. I do think jean-christophe has a good idea here about comparing actual weights. For me this is really useful data since I need a paramotor and a list of actual weights are very helpful in narrowing my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave24 Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 The PAP Top 80 looks like the lightest (reported) of the paramotors listed - claimed 25kg and 23.4kg reported (lighter than claimed - why would that be - modifications??). Of course others have electric start, which adds a few kg. Any other Top 80 owners out there happy to add their weight to the discussion? Would be a great help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean-christophe Posted April 21, 2010 Author Share Posted April 21, 2010 I ... I'm not interested in bashing anyone .... Neither do I, that's why I think we should only write here the reported weight, the one we have really measured by ourselves, and not the one which is claimed by the constructor. Each one who wants to buy a paramotor is able to find any claimed specification about any paramotor. It's true I have been very disapointed by the one I had chosen, unfortunately it semms to be one of the worst about weight claim ; and so it has been impossible to accept it ! Do believe that I would have done the same investigation in any similar case about any other brand. I do think jean-christophe has a good idea here about comparing actual weights. Thank you ! For me this is really useful data since I need a paramotor and a list of actual weights are very helpful in narrowing my choice. That was my only goal. Jean-Christophe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Hi there Just to clarify the 23.4kgs was the weight of my Pap Top 80 with a 1250mm cage. It may be that the claim of 25kgs weight relates to the 1400mm cage? That would certainly seem plausible. I do have an older Pap Top 80 1400 but have not been able to weigh it yet to confirm. Cheers Steve The PAP Top 80 looks like the lightest (reported) of the paramotors listed - claimed 25kg and 23.4kg reported (lighter than claimed - why would that be - modifications??). Of course others have electric start, which adds a few kg.Any other Top 80 owners out there happy to add their weight to the discussion? Would be a great help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennP Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Rad MXL 18kg Dry with no harness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave24 Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 That sounds impressive. What would it be with harness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 If it's any guide my Fresh Breeze Wingman harness weighs in at 3.2Kg Cheers, Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanman Posted April 25, 2010 Share Posted April 25, 2010 I would like to know the real weight of a FB Monster please (aluminium cage with electric and pull start). Norman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Hello chap's, I have just emptied my Parajet macro of fuel and put it on a set of Salter bathroom scales and can confirm tommcb6016 weight of 35.5kg. My macro is around three and a half years old and previously had thought it was around the 32kg empty weight. As i normally take off with 10+ litres of fuel (8kg+) my reserve and instruments (4kg) it will put it at 47.5kg+ or in old money 8 stone. Heavier than i thought. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 no wonder l need a stool lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer_Dave Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Mine's got one built in Mike ! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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