selectsecurity Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Hi all New member:- I have seen a new revo 2 size 23 on eBay 180713168849 I am 75 kilo naked. Is this wing ok for me with a 25kg motor also On paper seems it would be. Any advice would be appreciated, I am after the safest wing I can get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzo200500 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Welcome, did you notice this thread?? viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6620 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilzy Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Might be worth saying but I wouldnt reccomend flying Naked harness will chaff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon_dunn Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 With this weight, you'd be taking off and landing extremely fast- even with full trims.... Hate to think what it would be like in zero winds, would be great for fast cross country flying though!! Imagine what you could do with a speedbar fitted too!! Do they make a size 23 Fusion i wonder?? GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poz Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I'm 82kg in the buff and I fly a 26 Revo2 and I find it very fast on landing, even with trims pulled all the way in. It can be quite frightening in nil wind, when you have pulled all the brake you have and are still travelling too fast to run Funnily enough, I find nil wind, forward launches a breeze on this wing (is that a contradiction?), but then my motor is quite powerful (Pap PA125). IMO, for a beginner at 75kg, I would put you on a 26, not a 23. Good luck Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon_dunn Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Yes im around 75kgs also and on a Fusion 26 which seems just right... A revo 26 would make takeoffs in nil wind a bit easier i guess, but again no real problem for an experienced pilot on the Fusion. Personally i wouldn't recommend the Revo 23 for a pilot in this weight range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 26 no question. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selectsecurity Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 Welcome, did you notice this thread??viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6620 No, I will take a look many thanks matey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selectsecurity Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 I'm 82kg in the buff and I fly a 26 Revo2 and I find it very fast on landing, even with trims pulled all the way in.It can be quite frightening in nil wind, when you have pulled all the brake you have and are still travelling too fast to run Funnily enough, I find nil wind, forward launches a breeze on this wing (is that a contradiction?), but then my motor is quite powerful (Pap PA125). IMO, for a beginner at 75kg, I would put you on a 26, not a 23. Good luck Dan Many Thans will look at a bigger wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selectsecurity Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 Many thanks to you all for your suggestions, I will deff look for a bigger wing, you just get mixed messages looking at the specs of such wings giving a max suggested weight, I suppose the bigger the wing the better...right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 With this weight, you'd be taking off and landing extremely fast- even with full trims.... Hate to think what it would be like in zero winds, would be great for fast cross country flying though!! Imagine what you could do with a speedbar fitted too!! Do they make a size 23 Fusion i wonder??GD Gordon, I flew Danny Weston's Fusion 20 at the Essex Fly-in....THAT was fun! (I'm 85kg) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 They do make a size 23 Fusion yes. I have one and it's ace The landings are nice due to the energy the wing carries. They do also make a 20 one of which I will have a play on in a few days. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Aaah. You bought Danny's one? You're going to love that Si! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon_dunn Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Many thanks to you all for your suggestions, I will deff look for a bigger wing, you just get mixed messages looking at the specs of such wings giving a max suggested weight, I suppose the bigger the wing the better...right. No, the optimum wing size will depend on your total weight- the wingloading range should be available from the manufacturer's data. The wing loading should be within the designated perameters. A wing on the light end of the wing loading range is just as dangerous as a heavlily loaded wing. Also if a wind is too lightly loaded, it will fly relatively slowly in comparison to the optimum wing (too much drag), and will me more difficult to ground handle- especially in stronger winds. I suggest you talk this through with your instructor during your training, then make your choice. Also there is a great video/DVD you should check out- called 'Risk and Reward'... all the basics/fundamentals are explained in this film. Regards, GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Aaah. You bought Danny's one?You're going to love that Si! You know what they say about assumptions mate SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selectsecurity Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 I have spoken to someone today who suggests that I go for a Wind Tech Zepher PW, I think. He seemed to be swaying away from a reflex wing, and gave me some pointers; 1. A reflex wing will colapse much harder if it does and will be more of a jolt. 2. A reflex wing will need more ground speed (running) to get off the ground 3. A reflex wing will come down to land faster also. 4. No wing is perfect, a reflex will still fail in rotor as any other wing. It seems that Relflex or not Reflex is the issue. I was led to beleive that they are much safer, but I guess that a certified wing whatever the type is more or less as safe as you can get. He did seem to know his beans. Looks like a non relex for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 It wasn't Dell Schanze was it, by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I have spoken to someone today who suggests that I go for a Wind Tech Zepher PW, I think.He seemed to be swaying away from a reflex wing, and gave me some pointers; 1. A reflex wing will colapse much harder if it does and will be more of a jolt. 2. A reflex wing will need more ground speed (running) to get off the ground 3. A reflex wing will come down to land faster also. 4. No wing is perfect, a reflex will still fail in rotor as any other wing. It seems that Relflex or not Reflex is the issue. I was led to beleive that they are much safer, but I guess that a certified wing whatever the type is more or less as safe as you can get. He did seem to know his beans. Looks like a non relex for me I will give you 12 months if that, and you will want a reflex wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selectsecurity Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 It wasn't Dell Schanze was it, by any chance? No someone from Parashop, seemed a very nice bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selectsecurity Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 I have spoken to someone today who suggests that I go for a Wind Tech Zepher PW, I think.He seemed to be swaying away from a reflex wing, and gave me some pointers; 1. A reflex wing will colapse much harder if it does and will be more of a jolt. 2. A reflex wing will need more ground speed (running) to get off the ground 3. A reflex wing will come down to land faster also. 4. No wing is perfect, a reflex will still fail in rotor as any other wing. It seems that Relflex or not Reflex is the issue. I was led to beleive that they are much safer, but I guess that a certified wing whatever the type is more or less as safe as you can get. He did seem to know his beans. Looks like a non relex for me I will give you 12 months if that, and you will want a reflex wing. Why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 You will get fed up being left behind when flying with others or they will have to wait for you. If its a little windy you will not be able to go anywhere. On the plus side you will use less fuel to stay up longer due to more lift The newer reflex wings are not that fast taking off or landing and if you know your met you will not get in to a situation where you would be up in the conditions that could cause a collapse. Why buy a three legged donkey when you can buy a four legged horse, unless the person selling the donkey is a really good salesman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I agree, If flying with others a reflex wing is the way. It sounds to me like you have been talking to someone who has not flown one. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 2. A reflex wing will need more ground speed (running) to get off the ground 3. A reflex wing will come down to land faster also. Look at this short video and see how easy a reflex (Dudek ReAction) is in nil wind. [youtubevideo] [/youtubevideo]Newer models of reflex are even easier to fly, you know it makes sense! Cheers, Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyfreefly Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was also a none reflex flyer for many many years .......... it wasnt untill I was persuaded to fly a reflex wing ( under Duress ) I understood what all the fuss was about.... my eyes were opened it was like ( A NEW BIRTH ) the flying window due to weather conditions is extended massively also the new breed of reflex wings are very manoverable this was not the case with the first reflex wings its a win win win situation my none reflex wing now lives in the garage and probably wont be used again.... dont waste your time flying a none reflex sometimes all of us make the wrong decision. ...this is YOUR chance.....to get it RIGHT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poz Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Amongst the pilots I fly with, I am the only one with a reflex wing and I have a choice: either I can fly with trims pulled all the way in and fly a just a little faster than my non reflex friends, or I can use the trimmers and fly around them like a sheep dog Choose a reflex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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