Guest Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 seems like it's not a new idea.... This engine has been around for many a moon... anyone had any experience of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldeakin Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Your right it's not a new idea. Here is another one, made in Canada, been in production since 2011. http://arseneau-engines.com/boxer200t.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickyh Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Looks like he's gone full circle to me Bailey fitted with a French JPX320 or 330 boxer from 6-7 yrs ago (?). Loads of power but VERY heavy. The new Hornet looks light AND hopefully with power to match All good and is a welcome step away from the Moster / Thor / Minari clones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldeakin Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Looks like he's gone full circle to me Bailey fitted with a French JPX320 or 330 boxer from 6-7 yrs ago (?). Loads of power but VERY heavy. The new Hornet looks light AND hopefully with power to match All good and is a welcome step away from the Moster / Thor / Minari clones. What do you mean "Moster / Thor / Minari clones"? They are not clones, are they? I am a great believer in keeping things as simple as possible, I would always prefer a single cylinder 2 stroke, if only I could find a reliable one. Just my own preference, I know that others will disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickyh Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 No they are not the same castings, but the designs are very similar... Polini's new Thor 190 is a step back imho.... Single cylinder lightweight with belt drive. Light powerful and simple design, but with enough vibes to keep my dentist happy into his retirement. The Thor200 is a lovely engine, smooth and powerful, but has a nasty tendency to go bang without without warning plus its a bit heavy. The customer service from Polini is also woeful (see Thor200 FB group!). Paul's Hornet looks great on paper, and the early reports are looking good. It ticks all the right boxes for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 I have had the pleasure of seeing the hornet and Everything i hear about it seems very positive. I can't wait to fly it very soon. We will be offering our customers full back up when they buy from us so they can buy with confidence that they will not be left waiting for parts or a repair if the worse was to happen, as this is a NEW engine I know allot of people will be holding back waiting to see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptwizz Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Your right it's not a new idea.Here is another one, made in Canada, been in production since 2011. http://arseneau-engines.com/boxer200t.htm That is a very nice engine - and it looks like a proper one! (i.e. 4 stroke). I guess its actually a poppet valved 2 stroke. Makes me come over all unecessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoffel Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) just for sharing: 2 years ago I started to build my paratrike with very tight budget. So I choose an RC 2 stroke engine (DLE170, china made) which is cost me about $900. It is very much alike the bailey hornet. 2 cyl boxer, 170ccm, 17HP and weight only 4kg. Installed in my paratrike which I modified from my Kite Buggy, weight total of 32kg. Attached to used Bolero plus canopy which I bought for $400. It flies well with my 60kg weight (not overpowered) until now. no need for torque compensation since I use direct drive with 30"x12" prop tach at 6200 RPM. As for now I use brand new Apco Lift size M. http://youtu.be/zqJKFKsHDpw This is why I am so eager to wait for Morgy's review about the new hornet. Edited October 19, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macey2kk Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 "Apparantly" Alot of people invested in the Arsenou project, and to date one hadn't been shipped - I'd do your homework before you parted with any of your hard earned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1buell_wl Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Good Read. http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/2010/11/ ... dvantages/ I know the guys at Per Il Volo already have a direct injection top80 in testing. http://www.miniplane.net/en/info-news/2 ... ne-ge.html The only thing that worries me about interjection and the crack lube system it will need to be 100% reliable. But in realallity this should not be an issue. I'm surprised the Top80 GE is not selling yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1buell_wl Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Interesting post diego per il volo Message 7 of 7 , Apr 2, 2012 View Source as every new thing, when you begin you can't image how difficult can be .. ok we have good results, but not so good as we espect on the beginning, we found only 50% of the theoretical advantages untill now. sure the best performances can come after years of experience. we plan to give few machines to the test pilots soon. In the same time we do a lot of test with new components, new settings and new solutions (different pumps, exaust, head form, etc.) now the look is less rude, begin to be agreable ... Show More Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1buell_wl Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 One more: diego per il volo Message 3 of 7 , Oct 28 2:20 AM View Source we plan to make some test machines, very few in fact, and than will begin the production slowly, 10 machines a time, but beginning from some mounts after long tests. some anwsers for all: -- the sistem will be heavier and more expensive so " we will continue the production of carburator engines " -- at moment we are not sure if it will be possible an upgrade of producted engines, what I can say now is 90% no because needs a modification of the cranckcase. -- at moment we can image so many improuvements IN THEORY. what we verify at moment is an incredible easy start and more reactive engine (faster acceleration), yes few more power with some settings, but we must verify if we can use these settings. (same problem as a carburator engine) -- about consumption, power, pollution, we need to complete the mapping program, and this will need a lot of time, may be years. As you know also the cars need to remap after years of production, we can make many mistakes on the beginning. we all engine manufacturers are small companyes and we can't invest so much money in tests as the car manufacturers, than be patient please. We are so proud to make a new revolution in paramotor machines, but we can't make it tomorrow morning ... may be in the afternoon ? We will inform you every small step we will do. Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1buell_wl Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Interesting how it all looks possible on paper but the actual proves to be incredibly difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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