Michaelt Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Hi, possible good news... I have managed to persuade my dad to try paramotoring!! But, I have to sort out a tandem flight so he can see what it is like.. And he said if i can sort it out, i can do it too! i think that's a fair deal! Anyway, can anyone please tell me where i can get one of these near Spalding in Lincolnshire and how much would it be? Thanks Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Hi Paying for a tandem Paramotor flight in the UK Is illegal... Unless its apart of your course and from your instructor. Best bet is to get your self to a fly in and pay in beer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelt Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 That's something new to me then! How come? But no worries! Any ideas on the next fly in then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Talk to Pete B nicely Morgy, there are legal ways around this. It is perfectly legal to sell a 'training taster day' which includes a tandem flight. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Hi Simon Yes paying for "instruction" not paying for a pleasure flight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldeakin Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It is not illegal to pay for a tandem flight. The passenger is not breaking the law. Only the pilot may be breaking the law (if he is not set up as an instructor and made it clear that it is a training flight). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 So as apart of your course... So NOT a Pleasure flight... That was my point Also if you fly with your "Mate" or anyone NOT an Instructor as apart of your course you will not be insured if the worst should happen. Plus the pilot risks being sued by the passenger and loosing everything they own if and accident was to occur. Worth the risk for a £50-£60 flight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 The Pilot should have insurance for that Morgy. Insurance is available for both passenger, legal and 3rd party for tandem pilots in the UK. :-) (nor do you have to be an instructor to buy it) Nor does it say in the t'c and c's that you have to be an instructor.. At the end of the day, the product is the same. ( a tandem flight ) It's just about how you word it at point of sale. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldeakin Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 My understanding is that it does not really have to be a training flight as part of a course. The training flight can be all that is offered, as long as it is done for the purpose of instructing, not just a pleasure flight. The same rules apply to the many tandem paragliding pilots that you see offering tandem flights for payment in the UK, they get around the rules by calling themselves Air Experience Instructors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_terwat Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Your in luck. Contact Danny Moon at Boston Aero club. Excellent pilot and instructor and a really nice bloke. I have had two tandems with Danny and loved every second. Mal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelt Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Thanks everyone! Plenty of different views! I have just been I contact with Mike Chilvers and will contact others soon! Fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Hi Paul yes there getting "around" the rules... Insurance companies look to find a way not to pay!! Good luck finding a tandem flight.. Other disagree with me but please make sure you do it with a BHPA Instructor as a part of your course. Not others offering a way around the rules to make a quick buck!! Just my 2P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Morgy, thats a little unplaced mate.. I know for sure that plenty of 'air experiences' happen through the BHPA system and with people who have no intention of doing a course. There are times when using the bhpa 'thing' works but this is not one of those times dude. Check out the AXA policy, and also ask BHPA PPG Tandem pilots where they get there insurance since the bhpa wont recognise it yet. ( Although I am sure they will once it becomes profitable to do so) SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Also Ref: from 2008 viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1394 SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldeakin Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I am doing a paramotor tandem course in November. Even though I am a member of the BHPA, it is not possible for me to do this through the BHPA, as far as I know the BHPA do not do powered tandems. I will be able to do tandem flights, I will not be breaking any laws, I do not plan on charging for tandem flights in the UK but if I did decide to do this, I could do it legally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Paul no one is breaking the LAW giving tandems. MY point is your not allowed to charge the general public for a pleasure flight... I enjoy giving my girlfriend and a mate a tandem but i will not risk a law suit if anything was to go wrong with a member of the general public.... IMO its not worth it... When someone tells me there is a way around something.... This mean to me its not correct and there not doing it correctly. I Personally would not want to test that insurance policy for real. Each to there own .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Morgy, Our AXA insurance has passed the scrutiny of the ITV, and Nat Geo. And believe me that is no easy task! AXA is the second largest underwriters in the world. I would be more concerned about being insured by a very small company who could not afford to pay out and HAD to avoid paying for a claim myself. We have full 3rd party accident and legal cover. Neither of which are required by our law. We are happy to sell Taster days and include a tandem flight (as this is the same 'loophole' used by the BHPA paragliding guys and has been for years) As I say, it's all in the wording at point of sale. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldeakin Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 no one is breaking the LAW giving tandems. .... .... Morgy, I am pleased that we seem to have persuaded you to change your mind about the legality of tandem flying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Paul you did not persuaded me... I was never saying it was illegal to give tandems.... I said it was not legal or against the law to offer Tandems for reward/Money unless it is from your instructor as apart of your course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldeakin Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Paul you did not persuaded me... I was never saying it was illegal to give tandems.... I said it was not legal or against the law to offer Tandems for reward/Money unless it is from your instructor as apart of your course. Morgy, OK if you can't be persuaded, let's agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 It maybe just me but I don't think there was a disagreement to start with !? As I said, it's the wording at point of sale that determines if you have broken a law or not. You can't say, tandem flights £50 pop in now !!! You can say, paramotor taster experience including tandem flight £50 book in now!! SW Sent from my iPhone using PMC Forum mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Thanks Simon I'm Glad you have read the Whole thread and understand my ramblings. Fair enough if your going to do Tandem "experiences" I personally think it's a very thin line and a good barrister would tare that apart.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I suppose the one thing that confuses me about your view is that we are only doing the same thing as the entire aviation industry. The 'no reward' for flight unless under instruction is the same for ALL aviation. THIS INCLUDES the BHPA tandem pilots gliding from hills, many of whom have purchased the same AXA insurance as we have. The only exception being a full comercial rated pilot. So ponder it, Every single flying school in the UK (of any type of aircraft) are bound by the exact same rules as we are. We are not doing anything new dude. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatPux Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 We obviously don't have a good barrister amongst the Paramotoring forum fraternity or we might get an opinion. Or maybe it's that he/she would want a £1000 a post to give it![FLUSHED FACE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 We don't need one. The law is a very simple one to understand. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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