mike1714 Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Query?..............................well more of a concern!!! I flew for the first time on Tuesday since my last flight, the beginning of October of last year!!!! So, I had quite a few cobwebs to get rid of in the process - it all went like clockwork and the landing for me was text book stuff......a first for me! Getting to the point............... When I fly and let the trimmers out, alls well, but when I pull the trimmers in to get into slow mode to plod about I noticed that the slack in both the straps (for the trimmers) were almost touching my cage if not at one point just poking through almost 'teasing' the prop!!!!!!!!!! - NOT GOOD!. At that point I remembered this last year and I would wrap the slack around the risers. Is this right? Perhaps I am missing something (adjustment somewhere?) I cant seem to find anything addressing this in the manual? At last summers fly-in I intended to ask Simon for advice, but as usual forgot! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanman Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Just out of curiosity... Are you flying a low hang point machine? Are you fairly light and have the carabiner attachments towards a rearward setting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1714 Posted March 5, 2010 Author Share Posted March 5, 2010 I fly a PAP which has their standard swing arm set up - low hang point. I am 104kg of Kentish swagger!! I did a 'hang test' to set up the correct carabiner placing according to the manual which at the moment is exactly mid way. Perhaps I need to move one setting forward (i.e. me moving away from the risers?)..........I then would hang back..........but my thrust line wouldn't be correct - me thinks? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Would some sort of short bungee hold the straps away from the cage Providing of course that it didn't interfere with the trimmer operation. It's not something I have done, just a suggestion. Cheers, Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Please take a picture of your risers and post it. (on the ground of course) It sounds to me like something is a miss. That or check that your hand point are set correctly. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardc Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Hi Mike I fly a Revo with a PAP and I have to admit that the in slow trim the straps are very long and can flap about a bit. However, I am the same weight as you and I have the wing attached to the first fixing holes in the front of the swing arm which is the position that PAP suggest in the manual so the cage is much further back than it would be in your case! I do not have the manual with me at work but I will post a copy of the hang point recomendations if you want when I get home. Please let me know Regards Eddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Please take a picture of your risers and post it. (on the ground of course) SW Well if he posted it in the air we would not see it would we Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neders Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Hi Mike I fly a PAP ros 1400 with a revo 28,my hang points are on the B setting (1 hole closer to the cage) and the trimmer dosn't come near the cage so maybe you have a problem that needs addressing.Hopefully someone more knowledgable than me can helpyou out. Alistair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardc Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Hope this comes out okay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanman Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 No types mentioned but... last year a friend and I experimented with a low hang point active arm machine to try and cure this and other problems. We found that by pulling in the shoulder straps considerably while adding extra shackles where the lower harness attaches to the swing arms we could allow the swing arms to sit higher in flight (stops limiting arm travel were not an issue on this machine). This meant the carabiners could sit higher and closer to the thrust line which removed a large amount of the pitch/power couple. now under full power it didn't rotate forward so much bringing the risers close to the cage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 I have a Parajet compact, and Revo, Fusion, Reaction had a Synth and a Nucl, and during normal flight I would expet to see at least 12 inches of clearance from my trimmers to my cage. Then another 9 inches to the prop. Just as a point of reference. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1714 Posted March 7, 2010 Author Share Posted March 7, 2010 I hope the above shows the risers? This is the first time I have uploaded a picture? Thanks for all comments. Eddie, you are right we both fly the same kit I remember from the last fly-in. As per your earlier post showing an extract from the PAP manual it does seem to make sense to be positioned at point E as opposed to where I am currently positioned - point C. But it does also state that the ideal pitch from vertical to be 20 degrees. I did do a hang test when I got the kit originally, I set a 20 degree line which I pulled and then sat in my paramotor with my daughter advising whether both the line and paramotor were parallel..........this was point C. I have now set up to point E and will wait to hang test and then wait for a suitable flying window. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 OK. They are not set up correctly. I dont know how best to explain this with text but I will try. So, Looking at the Red trimmers you will see that you have a 'floating buckle' (its there but seems not to be doing anything.) They are supposed to be set up to take care of the slack, so you have two small loops and not one big one. This is not an in flight thing its a permanent setting on the wing. I will take a pic of a set how they are supposed to be set up and post it in a few mins... If you are in ANY doubt PLEASE take it to a Paramania Dealer to set it up for you. (DONT FLY IT AGAIN) until this has been done. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1714 Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 Thanks Simon. It does make sense and I understand the mechanics of straps but thats about it. I will adjust. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1714 Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 Oh just another question........do you know if there is a Paramania dealer this neck of the woods........Kent? Thanks Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I just had a look on the dealer map... Sorry but it looks as though I am your closest. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1714 Posted March 8, 2010 Author Share Posted March 8, 2010 Simon, When are you out and about training and I will visit with wing...........I have to pop into Dorking this week for a meeting so can then pop along to you?????. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I am around all week (except for Wednesday afternoon). SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 If you look at the Fusion manual (download PDF from) here http://www.flyparamania.com/index.php?o ... 49〈=en and scroll down to page 19 you will see a picture of the risers and the adjustable trimmer stop and gathering loop. You could put some thing like this on ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1714 Posted March 9, 2010 Author Share Posted March 9, 2010 Pete................that's it !!!! A gathering loop.....simples!!!! I was trying to work out how to take up the slack but then that would hinder the trimmer operation......but a gathering loop of sorts!!!! Nice one....thanks! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Pete................that's it !!!! A gathering loop.....simples!!!! I was trying to work out how to take up the slack but then that would hinder the trimmer operation......but a gathering loop of sorts!!!! Nice one....thanks! Mike no probs were all here to help each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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