custom-vince Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I hear all about the Fusion and how it fly's from owners like myself who enjoy it. I wasn't an instant fan and had to grow into it. I am interested in how the long term owners of the Nucleon are getting on. I went from a Dudek Sythesis to Re-Action to a Paramania Fusion. My natural step would have been to the Nucleon or Plasma. So I got to wondering how the Nucleon owners are finding their new toy rather than hearing from one of test flights. What experiences have you had. Economy, handling, takeoff, landing, reflex, thermals, speed, rough air, tuck resistance, speed range with the trims. Its not a test I shall be asking the APCO pilots the same thing. I rave about my Fusion with out real insight to some other wings out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
learner_driver Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 a jolly fine question, especially good if they have flown fusion and nucleon Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 a jolly fine question, especially good if they have flown fusion and nucleonSimon E.G FLOWN FUSION AND DUDEK NUCLEON OR BEEN TO A DEMO FLOWN BOTH. AND CAN LET US HAVE THERE INDEPENDANT VIEWS AND NOT FROM A DEALER...... WHO WOULD BE BIAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 It is interesting that you will find loads of Fusion reviews and no, (non that I have seen) on the Nucleon. Not saying good or bad here....!! Just saying, no reviews? SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer_Dave Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 I liked the Fusion when I flew it a month ago. Very agile and good speed with great glide on neutral trims. I flew the 31 Synthesis today and liked the feeling of security and speed but not particularly agile. If the Nucleon came between the two I think it would be ok and if I hadn't used all my petrol doing 30 power landings and slow footdrag takeoffs I might've tried the one,a 34, at Matt's flyin. It looked to fly well, viewed from the ground. I look forward to another chance to try one. Next time I'll do it before I get the Atis2 out of the bag. I love that wing. Still my favourite for just chucking about, thermalling and TO's and landing behaviour. Just not quite as fast as a Revo even with trims up at equal loading. ps. I dont sell wings pps. Got a prop for sale but no bu***r seems to be breakin' um Si. Can I change my Forum name? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 I was looking at the Wing specs for the Nucleon and noticed it doesn't have certification The Synth is a C just like the Fusion. How would that affect insurance? is it a criteria. I think someone said about uncertified wings before and insurance?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer_Dave Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Certification of the Nucleon is a point that I raised with the importer, Vince, as I too would like to know what level a wing is before I buy one. Not a bad idea to read the test reports before purchase (or flying one on demo) Might have to wait and see if anything comes to light in the near future. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paramotormike Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Hi Guys. Unless I am missing something the Nucleon passed EN C rating in June this year. From Dudek website. Nucleon 29 with EN C 2009-06-24 14:40 29 m2 Nucleon has just passed the certification as an EN C paraglider. Soon we will have the 25, 27 and 31 certified as well. Mikey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Thanks Mike, I just looked on the website again and it is in the news section for the 29, but not in the Tech Details for any sizes. I like the way Paramania make there test report available, is the Nucleon one online to view? I have searched the www.para-test.com and it doesn't have a report, says its pending. Fusion is there so is the Synthesis. Please Help. Am I looking in the right place? I get asked about the Nucleon but can't comment as there are no reviews and no tests, surely the wing has been out long enough to get all this done. I thought Paramotor Mag were going to test it after the Fusion, it must be top of their list, every one wants to know. I mean how hard can it be for a magazine to get hold of a wing, dudek would love the big glossy photo's. Instant sales boost after a review im sure. Is there any reviews in the states or euro, I haven't read any. Post a Link to something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Paramotor Mag did test it. They just did not write a review. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Any idea who tested it? or when they are printing the review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 This reminds of a kite review in one of the kitesurf magazines, It was a mega test of all the latest kit.The one kite that was missing which was the one I wanted, turned out to be a bit of a dog. I don't buy the kite mags anymore, I go by word of mouth and personal test flying. I fly a North Rebel which is an amazing kite but never stood out in the reviews. All that aside where is the Nucleon review it is always interesting. There must be some private reviews on some website somewhere. A mate has a 31 I think, I will review it myself when I get a chance and post the results on here, I will get his view on the Fusion at the same time as a control measure so it will not be bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_axb Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I have had chance to try the Fusion, Nucleon & Vista HP and they are all very good and for me there is plenty of cross country potential with a wing that climbs well and maintains level flight with less rpm and has a good L/D ratio with less surface area and lines. The Apco Vista HP ticks all these boxes and must the best that Apco have produced for powered flying. I have already completed my fastest out and return flight from Doncaster to York using this wing. I think that Apco have produced an excellent reflexed wing with HIT valves and SRS that is worth a try (if you get a chance have go with the demo if you are at the UK PPG fly in or the Lord Stones fly in). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Hi Paul, I will be there and wanting to try it, I have wanted to get on a couple of APCO's for a while, glad you are coming down. Thrust and Vista. I will bring plenty of Fuel. Infact if you have a demo? send it down a week early so I can play and get some photo's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Nucleon! 2009-06-25 15:25 Michel Carnet won gold medal during open championships of Britain on a Nucleon 31. His outstanding result was accompanied by David Muzellec on a Nucleon as well (third place), Tom Keene on a Reaction (fifth) and Laura Turner on a Nucleon (sixth). German Cup in Ballenstedt 2009-06-24 14:57 On this year's "German Paramotor Trophy" our Nucleon won huge interest. Atfter test flights pilots were delighted with high speed and stability of the wing, coupled with unprecedented agility, stability at low speeds and easy take-off even in no wind. Plasma PV super light 2009-06-24 14:51 Pascal Vallee is currently experimenting with yet another version of light Plasma. Super light this time, made of 36 g/m2 cloth as a 28m2 canopy. So far he says he's delighted. Nucleon 29 with EN C 2009-06-24 14:40 29 m2 Nucleon has just passed the certification as an EN C paraglider. Soon we will have the 25, 27 and 31 certified as well. Dudek became the main sponsor of the Paramotors World XContest! Win a brand new wing!!! 2009-06-24 14:37 All PPG pilots are invited to announce their flights on Paramotors World XContest platform. We decided to join this fun, so that most active pilot will be able to win a brand new Nucleon, Plasma or Synthesis. Good luck!!! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Thats still not a review though to be fair. We need someone on this forum to fly my Fusion and A Nuc at the same time on the same day and gove an independnt review. I say, Put your name in if you want to be that INDEPENDANT person and then we can vote on a person and arrange the flights. Thats about the only way to get the independant review we all want. So..... any takers? SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) Thats still not a review though to be fair......... not a review a replie from luke...... " A RESULT TO BE HONEST IN NUCLEONS FAVOUR"We need someone on this forum to fly my Fusion and A Nuc at the same time on the same day and gove an independnt review. I say, Put your name in if you want to be that INDEPENDANT person and then we can vote on a person and arrange the flights. Thats about the only way to get the independant review we all want. So..... any takers? SW Edited August 7, 2009 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I disagree. I don't think that comp use at all reflects our normal day to day use for many reasons. I also dont think that you can count 'Sponsored comp' pilots as independant since they are given the wings to fly for bottom doller in most cases. He who give the most wings away wins? naaaaaa.... not for real people who want real reviews by other real people. So again... any takers? no dealers or comp pilots need apply SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Sorry I can't, the Nucleon I was going to fly was sent back. I don't think I am bias, I love my Fusion but a good wing is a good wing. I loved my Re-Action also. The Synthesis is a super stable and fast wing. I want to try the APCO Vista. Might be a guest with a Nucleon at one of the up coming PPG events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 I disagree. I don't think that comp use at all reflects our normal day to day use for many reasons. I also dont think that you can count 'Sponsored comp' pilots as independant since they are given the wings to fly for bottom doller in most cases. He who give the most wings away wins? naaaaaa.... not for real people who want real reviews by other real people. So again... any takers? no dealers or comp pilots need apply SW I would but cant yet Pete b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer_Dave Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Maybe I could help Simon. I am currently considering both wings, from a customer point of view, and am flying for leisure and not a comp pilot by a long stretch. I've flown one and am soon to try the other but would really like to fly both on the same day. Have you a list of qualities or characteristics that you particularly want examined or tested. Perhaps we'll leave out acro for now, but maybe landing, takeoff and turning ability, speed range, stuff like that ? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Nucleon!2009-06-25 15:25 Michel Carnet won gold medal during open championships of Britain on a Nucleon 31. His outstanding result was accompanied by David Muzellec on a Nucleon as well (third place), Tom Keene on a Reaction (fifth) and Laura Turner on a Nucleon (sixth). German Cup in Ballenstedt 2009-06-24 14:57 On this year's "German Paramotor Trophy" our Nucleon won huge interest. Atfter test flights pilots were delighted with high speed and stability of the wing, coupled with unprecedented agility, stability at low speeds and easy take-off even in no wind. Plasma PV super light 2009-06-24 14:51 Pascal Vallee is currently experimenting with yet another version of light Plasma. Super light this time, made of 36 g/m2 cloth as a 28m2 canopy. So far he says he's delighted. Nucleon 29 with EN C 2009-06-24 14:40 29 m2 Nucleon has just passed the certification as an EN C paraglider. Soon we will have the 25, 27 and 31 certified as well. Dudek became the main sponsor of the Paramotors World XContest! Win a brand new wing!!! 2009-06-24 14:37 All PPG pilots are invited to announce their flights on Paramotors World XContest platform. We decided to join this fun, so that most active pilot will be able to win a brand new Nucleon, Plasma or Synthesis. Good luck!!! . Mr Carnet,David Muzellec and (and others) would most probably win no matter which reflex wing they were on as they are excellent pilots Pete b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Fair Point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Is this something that we could be doing as an independent club? (I say we as I intend to join as soon as I'm ready to learn!) I'd be willing to test kit once I'm airborne as it gives flying a purpose. (I think I'd need this so it didn't get too routine.) Is this something you'd look at the club doing in future Simon? Cheers guys, Tj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Inside the club is fine... But as a fly and sell the Paramania wings my views would be valueless to many thus I would have to have as little to do with it as possible. I do think the PMC is ideally placed to review wings / kit though, if we cant find a handfull of independant people from a list of well over 1200 people I will be supprised. Farmer Dave has stuck his hand up as one of them, two or three would be ideal to get a better spread. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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