idiot Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 G'day I found it hard to see which paramotors have the weight shift option and which one doesn't. I know about the J bar but that's only for one manufacturer. Fly Castelluccio SMN 100? Kobra Rocco? Flat Top 200? PXP Mini 2 1400? Have any of you tried "Kobra Rocco" or "Fly Castelluccio SMN 100"? Are you happy with quality, cage, after sale support etc? Cheers Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_P Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Seen the Kobra close up, although not flown it. The quality of finish and attention to detail is very good indeed. I suspect that back up of any motor will depend largely on your local importer/supplier. Best to ask around closer to home for some of than kind of info. (Not to say that PMC isn't global ) PK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiot Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 G'day Phil Since you know a bit about kobra can you please let me know if it gives me weight shift ability? How can I know if one paramotor will gives me the weight shift option or not? Cheers Alex (Idiot) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_P Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Take this with a large pinch of salt, because I am not that experienced. I'm sure somebody who knows better will help out soon. From what I understand, nearly all motors exhibit some degree of weight-shift ability. The amount of this ability seems to be closely linked to the position of the hang points of the harness in relation to your body when you are in the harness. The amount of effect that weight shift has is simply a reflection of how much you can alter the relative heights of the two risers in relation to each other. My Bailey has what they call 'mid' hang points, although to be honest I can't see a noticeable difference in hang point height between these, and the 'high' bars with which the motor had previously been fitted. I am able to significantly alter direction of flight by moving my backside about. As I understand it, the following is the general rule; With low hang points, it is much easier to weight shift to steer, and to a degree this also results in a system that feeds back air conditions to the pilot in a much more direct fashion., meanuing you tend to get bounced around a bit more in turbulent conditions. With high hang points, it becomes more difficult to use weight shift to steer, and the system takes on a rather more self stable state, and is less 'disrupted by flying conditions. To what extent having fixed or pivoting arms also feeds into this equation, I can't really say, although intuitively I would have thought that a swing arm system would make for a better weight shift system. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiot Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 Phil How can I find out for example if "Kobra Rocco" have a high hang point, middle hang or low hang point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_P Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Have a look at the Kobra web site, http://kobrappg.com/web/ The Rocco is described in the tech blurb as being low pivoting, so I guess plenty of weight shift. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 check out the new bailey chassis it has all the wieght shift you need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiot Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 check out the new bailey chassis ...: Mate I'm living in West Auss and Bailey and Parajet Paramotors will cost me like 1.5 time more than any other brands (Except Nirvana which is ridiculously expensive) I'm talking in AU$; Parajet $ 12000 Baily $ 11500 Nirvana Rodeo $ 12000 Nirvana Instinct $ 15000 Kobra Rocco $ 8300 Fly Castelluccio ~$ 8000 In UK it's totally a different story as you don't pay as much tax on sport equipment! Cheers Alex (Idiot) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Ouch. Is Fresh Breeze represented over there Cheers, Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiot Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 Yes $10,500 How come? Do they give me good weight shift ability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Quite the opposite Alex, my FB has high hang points. There are models with mid hang points though. I just wondered because it is a Fresh Breeze that I fly. Cheers, Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idiot Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 It's not only the hang point which affects the weight shift ability. If you read the review on Footflyer.com you will see that for example Flat Top have a low hang point but it wont give you weight shift ability! It's the structure of paramotor + hang point. That's why I'm confused (Plus I'm an Idiot) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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