Guest Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Not absolutely certain yet but I may be changing my paramotor over the next few days as I am trying to extract long-haul performance from my gear requiring a more specialised (though heavier and less powerful) motor. Just wondering if there is likely to be any interest from anyone here. More details when I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 (though heavier and less powerful) motor. That will be a bailey then?? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer_Dave Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Read my mind Peter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I'm getting far too transparent these days! I have a project in mind for next year that may take a slight change of direction now and become a trike project (the quattro plus option gives me a legal 22 litre fuel tank) and a realistic 8+ hour endurance for non-stop distance work. Pete, how's the economy aspects of the Simo in the PJ Macro frame going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Still playing with the harness settings at the moment but approx 3.5 ph on current prop settings More to come??? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Are you still using the GSC? Also, are you achieving that figure using a standard Simo or is it a Fresh Breeze modified one? My lounge currently has 2 paramotors in it (not for long as she will make me move them) 6 strokes in total! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonphotographic Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 If you already have a 4 stroke motor, what about looking at a trikebuggy? You could have the best of 4 worlds then as the fancy took you. Another bonus of course is being able to ground steer Have a look at trikebuggy.com I would be very interested in your thoughts because this is a path that interests me too. A stable camera platform that will fit in the boot of a Polo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 The Quattro plus (mentioned above) is the purpose made wheel unit for the Bailey. The seat is a also a 22 litre fuel tank, hence the phenomenal endurance. The regular Quattro is a permanent trike whereas the Quattro plus is an add-on for a regular footlaunch machine giving the option of wheels or footlaunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Are you still using the GSC? Also, are you achieving that figure using a standard Simo or is it a Fresh Breeze modified one? Yes GSC Standard Simo straight from the factory. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Can I ask what diameter you are using and what pitch setting you are currently running? I am planning to get some longer blades from Rick (probably similar diameter to what you're using in the Macro frame) and could do with an idea of what blade angle you are using as a starter for ten! I will probably be finer (pitch-wise ) than you due to your greater power enabling you to sustain a higher pitch setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon_payne Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Ahh Bailey welcombe to the world of four strokes Must now meet up and do some flying now Regards Simon P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 It's partly your fault Simon! You sort of sweet-talked me into it when you came round my house. I went round to Hairsy's place to see it and expected it to be a monstrous lump but it just isn't. I did initially find it a bit intimidating as it is very much not a 2 stroke but as you look at it more and more it makes more sense. Are you at ParAvion tomorrow? I'm supposed to be there all day weather permitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Can I ask what diameter you are using and what pitch setting you are currently running? I am planning to get some longer blades from Rick (probably similar diameter to what you're using in the Macro frame) and could do with an idea of what blade angle you are using as a starter for ten! I will probably be finer (pitch-wise ) than you due to your greater power enabling you to sustain a higher pitch setting. The diameter is 48 inch which is standard (I think this is the only size they do for what we want) Pitch ? You don't set an exact pitch just pick a rough starting point and work from there depending on the max rpm your motor should run at. Pete b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 GSC's website needs updating as it doesn't quite correctly state the right details. It currently states the max diameter is 44" (that's the size I have) but they will make larger or smaller in 2" increments. My prop is supposed to be set to 14 degrees on their pitch measurement tool however I find it slightly over-revs at that setting so in stages I have gradually increased pitch to 15 degrees and have found it is now perfect. I was wondering what setting you are getting on the pitch tool now you have found the right balance. Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rszemeti Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 The Quattro plus (mentioned above) is the purpose made wheel unit for the Bailey. The seat is a also a 22 litre fuel tank, hence the phenomenal endurance. Surely, since the maximum fuel capacity exceeds 10L, you need a microlight licence for it as it no longer counts as a SPHGadvocate> or do the CAA just turn a blind eye to such things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Yes, it will need a NPPL(M). I'm sure there are probably many people out there who are relying on blind eyes being turned but I cannot afford to risk upsetting the CAA in case they take my ATPL away. No license = no money coming in the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rszemeti Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Fair point ... I generally get the impression that the CAA reallises at least some of what is going on, but prefers no one makes too much fuss. I suspect they know there are paramotors around with tanks > 10L, but simply would rather not have the additional paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rszemeti Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Fair point ... I generally get the impression that the CAA reallises at least some of what is going on, but prefers no one makes too much fuss. I suspect they know there are paramotors around with tanks > 10L, but simply would rather not have the additional paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 It's not improper in the UK to have a tank bigger than 10 litres unless you put more than 10 litres in it. My PAP for example has a 13 litre tank which I believe you are at liberty to use in other countries with different definitions of what a paramotor is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rszemeti Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 It's not improper in the UK to have a tank bigger than 10 litres unless you put more than 10 litres in it. I understood it was based on maximum fuel capacity, not the amount actually carried, so a 13 ltr tank would *theoretically* be a problem, whether it had 2, 8, 10 or 13 litres in it ... but I doubt anyone is actually checking. ummm .. i guess until you crash into something and set it on fire ... insurance companies jut sLOVE get out clauses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 I was told different by a BMAA rep? Please confirm.... Is it that a) you can not carry more than 10L of go go juice? or b) you can not have the 'capacity' to carry more than 10L of go go juice? SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 (edited) definition of a Self Propelled Hang Glider'Self-propelled hang-glider' means an aircraft comprising an aerofoil wing and a mechanical propulsion device which: (a) is foot launched; (b) has a stall speed or minimum steady flight speed in the landing configuration not exceeding 35 knots calibrated airspeed; © carries a maximum of two persons; (d) has a maximum fuel capacity of 10 litres; and (e) has a maximum unladen weight, including full fuel, of 60 kg for single place aircraft and 70 kg for two place aircraft; Section1 Part 14 page 25.Will there be a man in a peaked cap and a tank measuring stick coming to your landing field any time soon? ......possibly not, would your insurance be invalid? that IS an interesting question, didnt they tighten up on wriggly insurance loss adjusters a while back, you would have to go into the fine print in the contract. Ultimately it comes down to the legal interpretation of "capacity". A machine's capacity to fly on 10 litres of fuel is determined by how much fuel you actually put in your tank. A machine's capacity to limit the fuel to ten litres is determined by the volume of that tank. Aint words loverly? and lawyers just luv words. How many of us have calibrated our airspeed in the landing configuration to ensure compliance? Edited May 12, 2008 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Very interesting and thanks for pointing that out. I personally read that as rszemetti says... tank should not really exceed 10L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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