deno

But did you get her to make Paramotor noises when she did it?

SW

No but she often makes a whining noise...does that count

I just did the hang test again and got the wife to push in the center of the prop.

She could push the cage/prop to near vertical with a gentle one handed push.

She is a petite 5" and not a Russian shot putter, so I don't think I will have much to worry about in flight, in fact I may have to move the hang point forward a hole...back to where it was originally.

Dene

Thanks chaps, after viewing the pics I can now say, I have not got a clue! not helpfull I know but I cant see what the problem is, what size is the harness?

Dave.

I don't actually know. It doesn't say anywhere. I'm guessing its a medium. I'm 5' 8" 11 stone 4 lbs and it feels snug enough. I'm not going to fall out of it. Maybe the fact that the shoulder straps are as tight as they will go means that it a large...I don't know. I guess thats the peril of buying second hand gear.

Dene

Deno how do I veiw your album?

Dave

Just select album in the box on the top right of the screen. Then users personal albums. Then select my name...its at the end of the list on page 2.

Dene

Looks like eagle eyed Dave is onto something!!!

The ropes should be attached to the bars and not the shoulder straps.

Ian.

It must be an optical illusion

I have filled my gallery with lovely pics of the Vortex for you to laugh at...I mean look at.

Unfortunately I've had no success adding photos to the post

Dene

oh sorry mate, if its on the innermost holes and still hanging back thats strange, when you refitted the original harness are you certain you fitted it as before, BTW Deno where are you in the UK, as your motor is based on my motor I may be able to bring mine to you and we can compare them to see if anything stands out.

Dave.

Its impossible to fit it incorrectly, its just fastened with 2 bolts through the webbing and 2 small plates at the top. Theres just a large cable tie securing the harness the the frame at the bottom.

I'm in North Lincolnshire, on the East Coast...about 3 hours from you in Hertfordshire.

The only thing I can think of that would make this hang further back that the PAP is that the tuned exhaust is bl**dy heavy. As the Solo 210 engine is quite large front to back, this means that the heavy exhaust quite a long way back from the hang points, so needs even more weight in front of the hang point to counter balance it, given that the hang point is actually in front of the center of balance

Does that make any sense?

Dene

The harness is obviously not made for the motor, I would either get another harness or put the low hang point arms back on, is there any reason not to put them back on? if its based on the 1100as wich I fly then I cant see why you would want to change the harness, mine was simple to set up and flies lovely with the low hang points, yes its a bit more "bumpy" when its rough but its not that bigger problem.

Dave.

Hi Dave

Things are getting a little confused here

This is the original harness with the low hang points, the arms are obscured by the step ladder in the photo unfortunately.

I tried a high hang point harness temporarily when I did my training with Paul Haxby as he considers low hang point arms dangerous.

I have now re-fitted the original Vortex (Sup-air) low hang point harness, hence the hang test. It is at present hanging from the most inboard holes in the arms.

I haven't yet flown this Paramotor with a low hang point harness only with Paul Haxby's Apco high hang point harness, this is why I want to get the thrust angle correct.

Phew!!

Dene

It looks like the motor is dropping back from your shoulders. Can you tighten the shoulder straps any more?

Ian.

Here's the pic -

The shoulder straps are as tight as they will go Ian, I'll see what happens when I get someone to push on the prop.

Dene

It is a little far back by the looks of things.

As Pete says, if you were to simulate the thrust in the center of the prop you may find its OK.

Just out of interest do I see that you have a Parajet set of blades on your Pap?

SW

Its actually a Vortex paramotor (based on a PAP), which I believe originally had a 3 blade carbon prop. I don't know if the prop was originally made by Parajet as the guy I bought it from replaced it a couple of years ago, as he broke it.

The Vortex seems to be based on a PAP 1100AS with the addition of a carbon prop, tuned exhaust, and extra cooling on the cylinder head. Apart from that I don't know much about it.

Dene

I've just spent 2 hours trying to get a photo of the hang test into the forum, with no success

I've managed to put a photo in my gallery, what do you think? does the angle look ok considering its a static test?

Dene

Can you get some one to push on the centre of the prop to check if the angle then decreases,

if not test fly it and get them to check the angle under power.

I would not say that that angle is excessive if it decreases with thrust.

Pete b

Thanks Pete

I'll try that tomorrow (weather permitting)

Dene

I've just spent 2 hours trying to get a photo of the hang test into the forum, with no success

I've managed to put a photo in my gallery, what do you think? does the angle look ok considering its a static test?

Dene

I have a PAP with the low hangpoint arms and did a hang check to set mine up, have you tried moving the hang position to the holes nearest the motor? if so and its still hanging too far back then either two things are happenening, you are jimmy crankies twin brother or you have a problem with the harness.

Dave.

Thanks for the info Guys. I am a little bigger than Jimmy Crankies twin brother but not much

I am trying to add a photo of the hang test, but I'm not having much luck

Dene

Thanks Dave.

I have just tried tightening the side straps, but it didn't seem to make much difference.

If I shuffle all the way in to the seat things get worse and the cage tilts back to about 30% !!

I guess I may just be too light...I do weigh over 11 stone though!

I think I'll need to wear diving boots!

Dene

I have fairly recently bought a second hand Vortex paramotor ( which is essentially a Solo 210 engined PAP with a few mods)

I have flown it (once) while training with Paul Haxby, but he is not a fan of low hang points so he fitted an Apco high hang point harness for me to try, with a view to converting it to high hang points in the future.

I have just done a hang test with the standard PAP low hang point system, but the prop seems to be angled quite far back, (about 25%) rather than the 15 to 20 degrees that I have read it should be, even with the hang point moved the the most inboard holes on the bars.

Is there anything anyone can suggest to get the prop more vertical? or will it be not too much of an issue?

Hi. I have recently bought a second hand Vortex paramotor with a Solo 210 engine. The guy I bought it from started it fine, but when I try it just kicks back when it fires, sometimes pulling the handle out of my hand and has even snapped the starter cord on one occasion.

I think it may be that I may just need a trip to the gym but I read online that this can be down to poor belt tension, but how tight should the belt be? how do you tell if its tight enough or even too tight? I read that if the belt is too tight you can break the prop or crank shaft.

Can anyone help?