custom-vince Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Aviator ppg in USA is having great success teaching on the airconceptions. I can see potential drawbacks of the design for a beginner, with correct teaching though, none of it is a problem. The light weight makes a bigger difference than the other things you mention. Eg. A slight tumble on a heavy machine is a nothing on an AC, or vice versa a slight stumble on an AC is a potential face plant on a heavy machine. The hoop is stiff, clutch vs belt? Yes maybe a clutch is better for that first launch but with correct teaching the instructor would not have them launching till ready and in control. Many schools taught on the Parajet Xt engine which is belt. Some teach with mosters. Double hoop or a completely enclosed prop I think is a good idea for teaching. It's not possible to simply say double hoop as flat top has a double hoop and prop sticks out just the same, the original custom air machines were single hoop but enclosed the prop, you could lay it on its back with prop spinning. Edited March 6, 2017 by custom-vince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chrisg547 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Vince are you going to have any Nitro 200's to demo at Parafest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 that depends on the pilots credentials. I will be bringing what I have at the time. heres a little video from a weekend or so back. Nitro and GTS19, taking it easy as I'm still getting used to the GTS, good fun though. [youtubevideo] [/youtubevideo] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Nice of the misses to let you use her car SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 No she has the adult car, that ones mine. She called it a single woman's car. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzybabybunny Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 What do you guys think of this video made by the Blackhawk guys that seem geared towards rebutting the Air Conception? I'm thinking about getting my first paramotor. They make some good points. I personally don't see the need for the titanium frame and I'm not that big on carbon fiber. Yes, titanium and carbon fiber are light and strong but they still break and they're next to impossible to repair. *However*, I was under the assumption that aluminum is hard to work with as well. It can be bent back - to a small degree. After that it will simply shear apart. It's not like steel alloy which you can just hammer back into place. When I look at *any* single-hoop frame, I reckon that it'll catastrophically bend if you fall over on your side, regardless of material. What do you think about their arguments against the lightweight motor not being able to last as long as a heavier motor? And the comfort of a lighter harness? I personally think that a lightweight harness can be just as comfortable as a heavier one - it's more about how it's designed versus the materials. But the light weight motor not being able to last as long as a heavier one seems more realistic to me because, yes, heavier materials should be able to withstand more wear and tear than lighter materials / parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Although titanium is a bugger to bend it will bend back for sure. Based on my knowledge on composites and carbon fabrics I would agree that carbon is a silly idea and not nessissery. Titanium though is a brilliant metal to go for or alloy as many people can weld that rather than titanium with requires a specialist. Good luck with it SW 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 If you go for type 2 titanium it take no more skill to weld than Stainless.. any welder worth his salt can weld stainless... T2 Tit is stronger lighter and flexes more than most other materials.. This is one reason i started to fly and sell Mac Fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 Lots of discussion on this video on facebook. Heres some info from my website that explains weight saving. This can apply to other machines that save weight in the same manner. Mac Fly as an example. If you can save weight without sacrificing strength then you are on to a winner. Simply put the Titanium frame is stronger than the alloy frame of similar type or style. You could how ever over build a frame from alloy to make it stronger but then it would be heavier than standard. This could be a good thing for the right pilot. Here a link to that info about why lighter can be better: http://www.custom-air.co.uk/Custom_Air_Paramotors/AirConception_features_in_more_detail.html here is a video of me standing on the carbon spar, in a crash these can break, but at that time it will help save your frame from more damage. Titanium, its lighter, its stronger. Its not some magic material that does not bend. I have seen a few accidents that have not done any damage at all, I have also seen some that required some straightening. Getting it welded is not so hard now days. 10 years ago when we first had titanium frames it was harder but you will find many places can handle it easily. Just for thought. Titanium and carbon are used in large and small aviation from boeing to red bull planes, on the road in million pound hypercars from the likes of ferrari, porsche, mclaren and formula 1, motor bikes & bicycles etc. Some snippets of information from the web: "Fatigue limit, endurance limit, and fatigue strength are all expressions used to describe a property of materials: the amplitude (or range) of cyclic stress that can be applied to the material without causing fatigue failure.[1] Ferrous alloys and titanium alloys[2] have a distinct limit, an amplitude below which there appears to be no number of cycles that will cause failure. Other structural metals such as aluminium and copper, do not have a distinct limit and will eventually fail even from small stress amplitudes. In these cases, a number of cycles (usually 107) is chosen to represent the fatigue life of the material." From: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_limit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_alloy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzybabybunny Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) So is BH making up the story about having this one pilot who has had to repair his machine literally seven times (BTW where is the Facebook discussion you refer to? Sorry, I'm new to the community.)? A simple butt landing shouldn't come anywhere close to damaging the AC, right? I noticed that the metal stands on the AC have a sharp acute angle that would dig into the ground on a butt landing, which to me seems like an extremely poor design oversight. Edited May 16, 2016 by fuzzybabybunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 I don't know about BH claims. I would say all paramotors can get away with butt landings but then some happen differently and they don't get away with it. I know from personal experience, I was pushing the limits from landing out, rotor in a bowl, rough ground and a small wing. I bottomed out on launch full speed run, full power onto my back side. Im 90kg on the nitro race. no damage to my machine just to my pride. The angle is very strong compared to a curved skid design. The skid style would slide better but more likely to bend. Its not poor design, its an evolution of design and come about for a reason, nothing is accidental on the AC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted March 6, 2017 Author Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) Light is good, but how light is it? I try to show how easy it is to lift the Air Conception Nitro, just as an example. I feel the the Nitro as an engine has proven itself in the 1st year. I think the frame has been proving itself strong and reliable, so here is my example of what 19kg feels like. Not the best video really. How many 190cc paramotors can do that? bit of fuel, prop covers one, pockets had stuff in. This video only come about due to a bit of banter on Facebook. No wires, no diesel crane or electric winch in the background Edited March 6, 2017 by custom-vince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Weetabix for breakfast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share Posted March 28, 2017 not sure if I shared this one before. Heres an example of what can be done with titanium. I have not seen one this bent before but there you go, drop in hard enough it will bend. Crumple zone... yeah ok, I guess, a phrase coined (literally coined in) by some one else. in my best essex, this one was well bent and well bent back again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted May 8, 2017 Author Share Posted May 8, 2017 Recently got back from a trip flying down Malaysia, a few of us on our Nitro's. Crossing water, up a mountain, down a river, down some beach, local public airport, military airport, a school field, a foot ball stadium, a city, you know, usual stuff. It started in Langkawi and island just near the north west of Malaysia. After flying the island for a couple of days we set off on our adventure. First thing was to cross the sea to the main land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilzy Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Looked an awesome trip Vince seen quite a few vids from it now all look great fun the flight over KL looked great and a superb finale to the trip, although the landing zone was a little daunting lol. Also to have such faith in motors, equipment is just a testament to how much paramotoring has come on. Neilzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted May 8, 2017 Author Share Posted May 8, 2017 After that the next few days were spent making our way down Malaysia. Flying my new Ozone FreeRide 19m, it worked a treat and I was enjoying all the flying very much. On one of the longer legs I played so much flying low that I felt it to risky to attempt the last water crossing, well that and the palm oil plantations / generally reduced land out options and opted for a fuel stop. Having confidence to get in and out of any field with a 19m wing was a nice surprise that I didn't really think about till afterwards. Heres another video with some clips of the flying. (note in Malaysia the air space we had was 500ft and below) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted May 8, 2017 Author Share Posted May 8, 2017 Thanks Neilzy, its all over Facebook, but thought I should share it on the Club site. This is why I didn't make Spain. I want to come on one of the PMC Spanish trips also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted May 8, 2017 Author Share Posted May 8, 2017 Funny you mentioned KL. Here is my video from Kuala Lumpur, flying through the city. We were allowed 1000ft, but the morning I flew, some cloud was only 700-800ft. Flying the city was great, a bit un-nerving as you have no reference for the bumps, mostly though it was fairly smooth, which was also un-nerving, plus I had only flown that wing for almost a week. Amazing place and another tour going next year. I have another video to produce with some good bits in, time is against me this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 That looks lots of fun . Full on fun . cas . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted May 9, 2017 Author Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Oh yes Cas it was both Full on & Fun. I stopped for fuel on one leg. Actually I stopped twice, once at the designated pit stop, but on my 19m ozone, I had beaten the support truck. Launched, played and found a garage. Edited May 9, 2017 by custom-vince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted May 15, 2017 Author Share Posted May 15, 2017 last video, i think, well thats the plan not sure if my editing skills are getting better or worse.. more creative at least to keep it interesting. This day I flew out over a big town with a real low mist, some guys went above it, I decided to fly out below it. Crazy fun flying, Malaysia is a bit nuts that way. Again on the Ozone FreeRide 19 with the Nitro from Air Conception Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted July 27, 2017 Author Share Posted July 27, 2017 Liking the GoPro quick with my Session 5, its limited editing but quick and looks nice. It won't let you embed movies so will have to click it to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbGhXXX6E5s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilzy Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Nice little vid Vince what wing was you on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Who is 'It' ?? The PMC site allows video embedding (in fact it will do it for you) You can change it in your you tube settings Vince You have the video set to not allow embedding. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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