norbertflyer Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 http://www.flyozone.com/paramotor/en/pr ... per3/info/ Very tempting, but no certification yet (if at all). Richard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlwarren Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Shark nose, the way forward. I'd love to have a go of the new Doberman from Niviuk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dariuszk24 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 very similar to ozone Delta 2 EN C,with short experience with shark nose wings,its amazing,really bomb proof ,I don't know any reflex construction wing but shark nose its excellent. you" cannot stall" the wing if so its very nice steady reaction if you get side collapse, just little weight shift to other side and you can carry on fly , without worry the rest recovery it self,but most para motor pilots flying in nearly death weather condition nearly no wind,no thermals before evening or early morning (no fun at all ),in this condition you can fly on any type of matress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsquared Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 After reading and understanding the Shark Nose Technology on Ozone's website, I am convinced that this is the way forward. My dream is to combine both power and free flying in the one flight...thus allowing more air time for less fuel used and getting to places you normally couldn't get with just free flying. I think the Viper 3 sounds like it can achieve this and much more. The Roadster 2 also has Shark Nose Technology, not sure if it has been released yet, but I imagine it would also be safer and probably a starting point for less experienced pilots. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsquared Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Sorry...double post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbertflyer Posted August 18, 2014 Author Share Posted August 18, 2014 Hi Carl, probably the Kougar 2 from Niviuk would be more the direct competitor for the Viper 3. More of an XC cruiser than a comp slalom wing. I hope the V3 gets some form of EN/DHV collapse resistance proof, as I enjoy a little thermalling and need some mental comfort of what it will probably do in the event of a frontal or assymetric at least. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outkast Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 [youtubevideo] [/youtubevideo] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbertflyer Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 I meant to say ".......I hope the V3 gets some form of EN/DHV collapse RECOVERY proof,......" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 We will hopefully have two demo Viper 3's in size 22m and 26m very soon. As this is a high end comp wing only very Experienced pilots with a solid Paragliding background need apply... It has NO EN certification but has been load tested and will have a DGAC certification very soon. Details will be uploaded to Ozone's web site very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemberg Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Max weight for free flight on the 22m2 is 95 kg. That's pretty high weight for such a small glider. I wonder how it would compare with the rush 4 and delta 2. Not quite sure why I want this glider but I do. I'm working on to get some local company to sponsor me with one. Not getting an EN rating is a bit of a disappointment since I want to use it for free flight as well. Hope someone will provide a SIV video on it, but that usually takes some time. Morgy, please give us a review when you have it, will you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I don't do reviews... As a dealer what ever i say will be taken as being biased... Its just won the world Paramotor championships on Hungary.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemberg Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Makes sense that you don't do reviews then. Except this time. This time you will (but I see your point) Won't take long though before people start uploading videos if they have it ready in stock. Would be real nice with a glider that thermal well enough with or without motor and have enough handling to be fun to toss around. If it is stable enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbertflyer Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Viper 2 got a good lowish ENC rating (sort of related to the soft ENC Delta 1) Delta 2 had a relatively high ENC rating (related to Viper 3) so this might be why the Viper 3 will remain EN uncertified. This will be a shame, as I'm sure a reasonable ENC rating would tempt more of us PPG/PG flappers. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemberg Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It does indeed look like a power delta 2. But the weight range is different from the delta 2 for free flight. 22m2 viper 3 has 75-95 kg weight range for pg while the delta 2 has 75-95 kg for 24.4 m2 maybe one shouldn't read too much into that. wouldn't mind having a pg with reflex though. I think I'll get one if I get a sponsor, if I don't get a sponsor I'll wait and see what other say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 My Viper 3 demo's should hit our door step today or tomorrow Fri 10th.. All we need now is some good weather... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemberg Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Good weather AND a charged gopro! It has taken a while to get info about this glider. Not that many that buys it I presume. Or has it taken ozone some time to deliver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The Viper 3 was only Officially released just after the World championships and was only available to order two weeks after. Delivery has been around 4 weeks, so far.. At the moment the Viper 3's are being made to order as far as i know.. IE non in stock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemberg Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Okay, makes sense then. Stability would be interesting to know, especially compared to the speedster. I think the marketing of the glider is a bit odd from ozone. "The Viper 3 is a classic competition wing designed for advanced pilots" Its main purpose is all-round performance flying. It is a high aspect ratio design aimed for pilots looking for a wing with high efficiency, high speed, excellent climb and great XC performance. It is not suitable for training or for intermediate pilots. It is recommended to fly the Viper 3 using a harness with low hang points, to allow weight shift and active piloting." That works for PG. But how many PPG pilots does that target. Very few in my opinion. Anyway, most likely a good glider. Looking forward to hear more about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Why is the marketing a bit odd?? it is a high performance wing... and as such for advanced Pilots. Is the market for an advanced wing that small?? i think not... Just look at the Dudek Snake and Ozone slalom both hugely popular and uncertified high performance wings.. It has a high aspect ratio and as such will be Lively.. Its also a 3 liner.. All sounds ok too me, if your looking for an advanced wing thats fast with great glide and very efficient. I know im excited about it for my record attempts and comps.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemberg Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I think the market is much larger for slalom wings like ozones slalom and snake and so on, attracts pilots that like to turn and play. Doesn't seem to be those people ozone target with the viper 3. "While its handling is natural and it carves in an intuitive fashion, the Viper 3 has not been designed as a slalom wing. Its main purpose is all-round performance flying." Can't find it now but somewhere they wrote that it turns more like a pg wing, flatter turns. Sounds to me it is a pg wing with reflex. Perfect for thermaling, and fine as well for pg, but why not EN certify it then? Anyway, it doesn't matter what i think about who it is aimed for, ozone have made some great wings so I'm sure it'll fit in that category. I wonder how different it is compared to the niviuk kougar 2. Also a high AR wing, but marketed as "not a demanding wing". Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 There here!!!!!! https://www.facebook.com/SussexParamotors?ref=bookmarks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I had the chance to get both the 22m and 26m out of there Bags to inspect before flying yesterday. As always Ozone have done an amazing job, I couldn't fault any part of the wing, The Colours look great "I was a bit worried ordering Purple" The risers are very minimal two lines on the Front A the unsheathed lines are like cotton from half way up too the top cascade. The rest is Very minimal to say the least.. Today was a Grey drizzly with light West winds around 8mph, So i took the chance to go out to my local hill Butser west for some ground handling with the possibility to free fly. The Inflation was incredibly easy "even with such small openings on the Shark nose LE". This wing really wants too fly; even on full slow i had too hold allot of brake too stand still, I started too play around with the front risers pulling down on one side slowly then releasing. There was no sign of a collapse. I then tried to pull down both front A's again nothing untoward, Pulling harder and harder the wing kept its form. Only when i pulled the A's down too almost the carabiners on my Free flying harness did the wing give up, It never tucked just surged forward and floated in front of me for a second then few backward and covered me in a tangle of Unsheathed lines... I was very impressed with this as she was set too full slow... A few little hops too feel the stall point on the wing, "I think i will have to shorten the brakes just a little" I had to take one wrap to make her Stall... Normally when i am out Free Flying on my Speedster when the wind is light I struggle to stay up with some of the HOT Ships but today was Different.. The brake pressure is light but still has good feel to it. The tip steer is a little Odd, IMO. The tubing with two small balls slides along the tip line allowing different amounts of tip to be applied. These are connected to a small bungee that returns them too it's parked position. Something i guess i will get used too in time but worked a treat.. Flying was easy and fairly fast (only flying on slow due too the wind strength) The Viper 3 responds to weight shift beautifully and makes flying Butser a Doddle "it's a fairly tight and technical site" She turns fast and really flat Until you crank it Then you can really start too feel the wings potential.. I can't wait too get this wing under my motor too see what she does... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemberg Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Sounds good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hemberg Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Ordered one about 10 days ago. In purple of course. Right in ozones annual vacation. So I guess they'll process the order when they get back. Guessing I'll get it at the end of Mars. Talked to some owners and it seems to be a good solid gilder, I'll treat it with respect though until I know it better. Going to use it for free flight as well but the 22 seems small for that, I'm on the top end of the weight scale, maybe a little over so I'm on a diet I'll write my report when I get it and flown it for a while. Going to be a big difference from the 28 m2 speedster I'm sure, just the size alone makes a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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