paratrike Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Hi I have been an NPPL(M) Paratrike Instructor in Melton Mowbray Leics and Boston lincs, since 2009. I instruct on a Dual (2 seat) Paratrike called an Aerochute. Recently I've helped a few Paratrike flyers get an NPPL(M). I've quite enjoyed the process as the guys were all great at the canopy handling, and were also well informed about the theoretical aspects. I've recently finished doing evening school, and I've now got some time on Wednesday evenings in March for anyone who wants to do the NPPL(M). I can only handle two students at a time, as my house is not very big. If you fancy it, please get in touch or take look at my website. http://www.aerochute.co.uk wayne@aerochute.co.uk 07929 320343 Kind regards Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollycoli Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Hi I have been an NPPL(M) Paratrike Instructor in Melton Mowbray Leics and Boston lincs, since 2009. I instruct on a Dual (2 seat) Paratrike called an Aerochute. Recently I've helped a few Paratrike flyers get an NPPL(M). I've quite enjoyed the process as the guys were all great at the canopy handling, and were also well informed about the theoretical aspects. I've recently finished doing evening school, and I've now got some time on Wednesday evenings in March for anyone who wants to do the NPPL(M). I can only handle two students at a time, as my house is not very big. If you fancy it, please get in touch or take look at my website. http://www.aerochute.co.uk wayne@aerochute.co.uk 07929 320343 Kind regards Wayne Hi Wayne tis Jono... to all who are thinking of moving on in this activity I can only say that Wayne and Gerry at Aerochute are just great guys they have taken me on board and befriended me... you could not be in better hands.... you don't have to take my word for it contact Wayne and you will see just what I am talking about very professional to the last detail Aerochute is just the best And so are the two bods Wayne and Gerry Thanks both.... be up as soon as weather permits Just do a taster day you will be smitten Thanks Wayne Gerry for it all Jono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weesplat Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Hi The big questions How long is the course and how much are you charging for conversion from footlaunch to wheels. I cant see that combination on your price list. Col... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatPux Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I PMd Wayne, for me it would be £1815 due to low experience. Between £995 and £1815 depending on experience, I think is what they are saying, so with your experience I presume youre right down the bottom end. It's the two paras at the bottom Paratrike Conversion from Paramotor trike, to NPPL(M) Typical: 5 hours, 5 ground exams & GST Fully inclusive all tests neccesary to get legal with an NPPL(M) Powered Parachute Paratrike license £995 ab initio - Never flown anything before. Typical 12 hours, 5 ground exams & GST Fully inclusive all tests neccesary to get an NPPL(M) Powered Parachute Paratrike license £1815 The easiest cheapest safest way to get an NPPL(M) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paratrike Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 Thanks Pat I should also mention if you have a CP (club pilot) rating, it is recognised and you get about a 50% reduction in the training requirements. Not sure how many of you that applies to. I can get more details if needed. Regards Wayne http://www.aerochute.co,uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Thats Interesting.. I have had long and productive conversations with a multi type CAA examiner since we last spoke Wayne. And he assures me that a log book showing PPG hours is sufficient. Since the CP rating is actually a fairly junior one 'when not accompanied with the required hours to build a skill set'. The proof of this is that you only need to send your log book to the BHPA to get your CP rating via the alternate pilot entry system so to specify it in this instance seems odd to me. More so as all pilots will have to sit the BMMA microlight exams anyway (which hold masses more detail than the BHPA theory does.) As it stands, there will be two more places this year who will be starting to teach people to fly trikes and quads to existing paramotor pilots who will not require that you are a CP first. So it may be worth checking that your facts are correct with this. (unless of course it is a personal business decision in which case that is of course entirely your call.) Both the BMAA and the CAA want as many people from the trike world to join their ranks (as apposed to just flying them anyway which happens allot as I am sure you know.) The problem is that for it to work, one of two things has to happen. A) The high cost of entry is reduced ( I just learn to fly a C42 at Membury for a couple of hundred quid more than you are charging for the aerochute course, and got my Jabiru and Eurostar ratings chucked in!!) (for those that don't know, this 'licence' also allows me to fly my quad. B) The industry needs to understand that anyone who can footlaunch a paramotor can fly a trike or a quad with little to no training at all. (not legally I know but, who do you know anyone thats been arrested for breaking this law?) At the moment, for existing PPG pilots, a course anything more than 2 days and a couple of hundred quid is unlikely to wash with the masses and they will continue to fly as is. These are of course my personal findings and thoughts. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I should note... I am talking about solo flying. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatPux Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 From the perspective of a low hours PPG Pilot, without the option to show a comprehensive PPG Log and therefore the need to go through the ab initio Aerochute route there isn't a significant enough discount over the full Microlight course that Simon refers to, even accounting for the fact I might not enjoy quite the same discounts as he does! Having said that I want to get properly proficient at foot-launching ( and landing!) before I capitulate to going seated, so by the time my knees say "enough" I may indeed have the requisite hours to convert more cheaply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdEves Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 The NPPL allowances are here: (last section) http://www.nationalprivatepilotslicence ... V%2009.pdf Seems both BHPA/BMAA rating and 5 hrs logbook evidence are needed, unless there's been an AIC with a change to this more recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I was referring to the single seat trikes. The Aerochute is the only CAA approved tandem trike in the UK (well done for that!! ) So if you want to take passengers, an aerochute and the type training is what you need. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paratrike Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Hi All Our March slots are now full. I had a great response, so many thanks. ------ Our Paratrike club has been in operation since the late 1980’s in the UK and the recent interest from foot launch conversion is great. The recent interest in paramotor foot launch is great. The NPPL XC document is correct. I'm a CAA examiner myself, and I know how much stuff you need to keep on top of. To clarify, the price we quote is actual average total cost. We use the actual time it takes an average person to reach the required standard, not a minimum. Also all exam fees are included. We don’t like quoting a minimum figure, because we don’t like misleading people. The cost of the minimum legal training only is £360. Be aware of the actual average total cost, when you talk to other people. Now whilst converting from foot launch to paratrike is a straight forward fun process, it does seem to have its specific challenges for people from a foot launch back ground. I pay special attention to foot launch people during certain parts of the syllabus. Self teaching will result in damaged trikes and/or themselves. I have met a few victims of this over the years. No substitute for good quality accredited and recognised training from the BMAA. They have been doing it for years, and they do a great job. I trained in Australian as a Paratrike instructor. Later, I then came back to the UK and the CAA told me I was the first person to complete the Paratrike BMAA /CAA AFI then FI. If anybody wants to become a Paratrike AFI then FI, I would be very happy to help. The more instructors we have the better. Hope that helps clarify things. Kind regards Wayne http://www.aerochute.co.uk wayne@aerochute.co.uk 07929 320343 Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FERRYAIR Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I was referring to the single seat trikes. The Aerochute is the only CAA approved tandem trike in the UK (well done for that!! ) So if you want to take passengers, an aerochute and the type training is what you need. SW OK lets throw a few questions at this & lets see what answers come back (Q1). I hold Various ICAO recognised Pilots licences for 3 axis aircraft, am I legally allowed to fly a Paratrike on my licence # I am asking about legality, but not necessarily competently. # (Q2). What ( if any ) training should I be expected to complete to be deemed as competent? (Q3). If I was to buy something like an Aerochute & declare it as SSDR would I need to get a Rating or can I just embark into the realms of Darwin Award territory on my own without any rating on type? The above questions are not a guideline to what I am intending to do, but equally I don't want to do 12 or more hours of training just to learn how to steer a Parawing when I could ' Self teach ' myself in about 2hrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paratrike Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Hi Ferryair Give me a call or drop me an e-mail and I can get you pointed in the correct direction. Regards Paratrike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Hi Wayne, It would be useful to others reading if you could answer on this thread. I know that there are other people in the same situation that would like the answers. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outkast Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 and how much do these machines cost and where would one buy one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Wayne, Time to let loose with your sales pitch SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FERRYAIR Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 i Wayne, Time to let loose with your sales pitch SW Well the sales pitch will be wasted on me at the moment, I will need to self discipline myself to get below 98kg for whenever I start Paratriking. Ideally I need to buy something like The Parajet SkyCar to suit my needs. I will probably get shot for my next remark....... The only downside I can see in Paramotoring is : Bear Grylls being associated to Paramotors, oh god does that man have an overinflated ego. I know Gilo Cardozo is pal's with Bear, now I respect Gilo immensely and admire his lack of ego so I can't believe how Bear Grylls is the ideal pal for Gilo? Gilo is a God as far as I am concerned but doesn't 'Lord it up ' but Mr Grylls is such an overinflated opinionated person that I was amazed when Parajet allowed Bear Grylls Paramotor units to be marketed. Personally I wouldn't buy any product endorsed by him & certainly wouldn't pay a premium to have his name on the product, a Parajet unit with Gilo's name on it would have immense credibility, but the BG Paramotor is not quite in that league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 LOL Everyone is entitled to there own opinion I suppose I am also friends with BG and I have to say, having met him many times both for work and play that he is nothing like his (TV) self. (other than the fact he just can't seem to walk anywhere... he has to run!! (same with Gilo most of the time LOLOL) There have been a few people on the field when he has flown in over the years and I think they would all agree that he is actually a sound bloke in person :-) I agree though, that sometimes his tv side can be rather full on!! lol There is no doubt that the everest mission and Bears involvement has played a massive part in elevating Parajet to the Gilo industries that it is now. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FERRYAIR Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I am sure Gilo's business would be as successful as it is without the BG endorsement, but that is something that opinions obviously differ on. I am sure if I ever took the time to give BG the opportunity to convince me that he is a normal type of guy I might look upon him differently, but I have over many years met & socialised with many of these ' larger than life ' type of character's and they are not as ' in your face ' as BG is, so I doubt my opinion would be easily changed. I class Gilo as a normal type of guy & has achieved more in aviation than BG so I don't see the value in BG being a Parajet product endorser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Gilo's business was already doing very well I have been involved from the very start at Parajet and watched the huge effect that the Everest mission had on sales and just 'getting the sport out there' It was basically the first ever global show of 'Paramotors' to the public. Not suggesting for a second that Gilo would not have got to the same place one way or another As I say, I know you are not alone with thinking BG is a dick but I bet you cant find me someone who has met him for any amount of time who would say the same This is of course totally off topic so lets get back to the matter in hand SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paratrike Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Hi All I'll post a more detailed reply later. To try and help a few of you guys out. Kind Regards Paratrike (Wayne) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paratrike Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Hi All Thought I would post this to help you all out. Hope it makes sense and helps you out. If not, I can try an clarify. As simon say's the process is easy. If you are already flying a trike and want to get legal, the winter is an ideal time to start the ground school. So please read on. How to get a Powered Parachute License:- So want a Powered Parachute Pilots license. Below is an outline of the steps to go through and some advice. 1.Find a specialist Powered Parachute instructor and join a club. -Paul Mahoney (Mahoney Aviation or myself (Wayne at Aerochute UK) 2. Join the BMAA through your instructor, this will save you about £50. http://www.bmaa.org/catalogue_item.php? ... odID=18961 3.You and your GP need to sign a simple Medical Self Declaration. This is not a medical, only a simple form. You need to tick the box which says ‘ Group 2 - Professional Driving ’. The form simply says that in your records nothing indicates that you would not pass a professional driving medical. I know of many elderly Powered Parachute pilots and one over 80 years old. So age is not a problem. http://www.bmaa.org/catalogue_item.php? ... odID=18961 4. Go Shopping for the following. Basic Powered Parachute Training Syllabus from your Instructor Book - Microlight Pilots Hand Book 7th edition by Brain Cosgrove. Aviation Chart 250,000:1 for your area Aviation Chart 500,000:1 for your area Pooleys scale Ruler NM-2 Pooleys Square Protractor Pooleys Microlight Pilots Log book Optional Extras Trial Exam papers from www.enstonemicrolights.co.uk Book - Microlight Air Law by Geoff Weighell 6. Get some ground school from your instructor and start revising. Whilst getting flight training take multiple choice ground exams in Air Law Meteorology Powered Parachute Aircraft Technical Human Performance and Limitations Navigation 7. Pass a simple General Skills Test. You are a qualified pilot! Kind Regards Paratrike (Wayne) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FERRYAIR Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Hi AllThought I would post this to help you all out. Hope it makes sense and helps you out. If not, I can try an clarify. As simon say's the process is easy. If you are already flying a trike and want to get legal, the winter is an ideal time to start the ground school. So please read on. How to get a Powered Parachute License:- So want a Powered Parachute Pilots license. Below is an outline of the steps to go through and some advice. 1.Find a specialist Powered Parachute instructor and join a club. -Paul Mahoney (Mahoney Aviation or myself (Wayne at Aerochute UK) I am guessing you are the guy I saw at Boston the day I collected our Aviasud Mistral? I think you were setting up for a Paramotor competition or something? 2. Join the BMAA through your instructor, this will save you about £50. How does joining the BMAA via your iinstructor help you save £50.00? http://www.bmaa.org/catalogue_item.php? ... odID=18961 3.You and your GP need to sign a simple Medical Self Declaration. This is not a medical, only a simple form. You need to tick the box which says ‘ Group 2 - Professional Driving ’. The form simply says that in your records nothing indicates that you would not pass a professional driving medical. I know of many elderly Powered Parachute pilots and one over 80 years old. So age is not a problem. I am guessing that a full EASA/CAA Medical out trumps the Self Cert& is useable or do I need to get a Self Cert for Paratrike only? http://www.bmaa.org/catalogue_item.php? ... odID=18961 4. Go Shopping for the following. Basic Powered Parachute Training Syllabus from your Instructor Need to buy a copy Book - Microlight Pilots Hand Book 7th edition by Brain Cosgrove. Not a bad book,but a bit outdated now. Aviation Chart 250,000:1 for your area Got one. Aviation Chart 500,000:1 for your area Got one. Pooleys scale Ruler NM-2 I must check what Ruler I have. Pooleys Square Protractor I have about 5 of these Pooleys Microlight Pilots Log book Would I need a Stand alone logbook for Paratriking or can I log flights in my CAA Logbook. Optional Extras Trial Exam papers from http://www.enstonemicrolights.co.uk Malta Microlights have Exam papers online for practice purposes. Book - Microlight Air Law by Geoff Weighell 6. Get some ground school from your instructor and start revising. Whilst getting flight training take multiple choice ground exams in Air Law Meteorology Powered Parachute Aircraft Technical Human Performance and Limitations Navigation Will my Licence privileges allow me to not have to re sit these exams as all those subjects were passed many moons ago. 7. Pass a simple General Skills Test. If I am going SSDR Paratriking, do I need to undergo a GST if I already have Pilot's licences under my belt? You are a qualified pilot! Kind Regards Paratrike (Wayne) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paratrike Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yep, I teach at Boston from time to time. A very friendly aerodrome. The BMAA do a subscription reduction scheme when you join through an instructor. Yes Okay okay okay okay okay okay You can use you current log book if it complies with CAA requirements. It depends how long ago and your instructor would help you investigate this. I'd be very happy to recommend alternatives to Cosgrove 8th edition. Please share your alternative(s) No, by the sound of it you will only need partake differences training. Best show you license to your instructor and get them to check with the BMAA. The SSDR refers to the aircraft requirements not yours as a pilot. You still need a valid license because it a trike has wheels. Also your trike needs to be registered with its registration marks on the wing. talk to your instructor and they will reiterate this. I hope that helps Kind regards Paratrike (wayne) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FERRYAIR Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Hi Wayne ( Paratrike ), I wasn't aware of a BMAA Membership fee reduction of £50.00 ? I always thought full membership was £70.00 & Student Pilot membership was £55.00 ( student membership is only for 1 year & then it becomes £70.00 ) # Any person under 21 can get membership for £35.50 # I do know that any Flight training organisation or BMAA member who recommended a membership gets a £10.00 referral fee. On the subject of our Summit SS we are planning to operate it initially under the American registration & then register it onto the CAA register. An anomaly has came to light that does make life harder for us The Wing is the registered item with the CAA ( for flexwings of any type ? ), so we will need to register the Rectangular wing with a registration & also register the elliptical wing with another registration. I have already had my licence details checked & the legal stance is " Any Aircraft with a maximum take-off weight under the weight my licence privileges allow is " Allowed to be flown by me " Whilst it is a legal interpretation, I am still going to get a thorough ' check out ' on a Summit II when we go to collect our Summit SS. I wasn't aware that Paramotor pilots were encouraged to be BMAA member's? I was at the Telford Flying Show last November & Paramotors were not that well represented ( in previous years at NEC Show, they were ). Does anyone know how many Paramotor pilots are BMAA member's ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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