touch107fm Posted October 1, 2014 Author Share Posted October 1, 2014 Yes I have a fix but you won't like it!!! Go for the non flash version starter. have not heard of it happen on any 130 motors yours is the first I have heard of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredOfHeights Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Yep, I hear ya, thanks for the reply, I have switched it over to the Thor 100 manual start and testing on the ground so far no problem. Slight issue mounting it as I only bought the 928.530.001 and 928.550.001 parts. But solved it buy putting the spaces on the outside of the starter. Hope that helps someone else. Oh and the 130 is very easy to pull over, seems to be some technique I need to learn otherwise occasionally get a bit of kick back. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg18 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I have the Thor 100 on a Parajet V2 frame but have not yet encountered this problem, maybe due to it only having 15 hours on it. Hearing about this has had me considering changing to the manual starter. I do also dislike the long pull required on the flash starter and would be interested to know how this compares to the manual version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Valid point that Paul. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I lost my Flash starter handle through the prop back in March, it made a hell of a racket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredOfHeights Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 As a hint you don't need a long single pull on the flash starter. You can do two or three shorter ones. Don't yank it like a manual start, instead firm and moderate speed, pull approx one foot and then release tension and go again. Repeat until the flash has enough tension to release. As for the pressure to pull over manually is easy, not much more than the flash. The only issue is there seems to be a technique required to stop kick back. You need to slowly pull over until it reaches a hard spot then a short sharp pull. If you don't the cord is sometimes yanked from your hand which is unpleasant. Warning I'm a mechanical numpty I've learnt from trial and error. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredOfHeights Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Ok, so first decent test flight and the manual starter doesn't unwind..!!!! Yes. But the "kick back" is a shocker. Does anyone have any hints, I've tried a few things without luck. Every know and then it really really kicks back hard. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 You can undo the top mounts and angle the engine to get enough access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg18 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Do any other engine manufacturers adopt a version of the flash starter and if so have any had problems? If other engines have a manual type starter is kickback a common problem or have Polini managed to produce two different types of starters which are inherently flawed. How can it be that you don't hear of issues on other engines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67Camaro Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 First flight for me on my new to me used parajet/thor100 with the flash starter, but the handle didnt come out, rope came out the bottom of the thing? And it has a knot in the end of it.... Tried to post a pic but cant here it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 You can post a pic Start a new message, and before you hit the submit button... (below the submit button is the upload attachment section. Simply browse to a file on your computer hit 'add the file' and then hit submit as normal. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touch107fm Posted May 13, 2015 Author Share Posted May 13, 2015 The combination of the thor 100 + flash starter = going to have problems Have not heard much many of the thor 130 having any issues with the flash starter. Best thing i ever did was swap out the flash starter for stock standard starter, works every time and don't have the fear now that the flash starter will unwind mid flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67Camaro Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I took it off and cleaned it all up, the end of the rope inside the starter somehow came out. Anyway, it works smooth now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67Camaro Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I took it off and cleaned it all up, the end of the rope inside the starter somehow came out. Anyway, it works smooth now. How hard was it to disconnect the flash starter? Did you keep the engine attached to the frame whilst doing it? Pretty easy, when you move the 'seat' out of the way you can reach everything pretty well. I loosened all the engine bolts, and took the bottom two totally out so I could angle the motor to get it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touch107fm Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 What he said, I can swap mine out in about 30 min but I have it down to down to fine art. I usually remove the top two engine mounts to allow for for the removal of the flash starter. I usually lay the engine on the ground or on a table when I remove the starter. If unsure get a mate who knows there way around two strokes to give you a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67Camaro Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I didnt remove the motor from the frame, just loosed bolts enough to get the starter out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67Camaro Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Grrr, half an hour into my flight yesterday, the starter let the rope out, hit the prop. Two flights on this thing, and the starter has failed both times, frustrating for a new guy. Looking into converting it to a non flash I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredOfHeights Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Ok, so I have about a 100 hours on my Thor 130 converted back to a manual start so far all good..! I resolved the kick back issue by replacing the pull start handle with 8mm bungee cord. Easy to start and if it does kick back them it doesn't rip out of my hand. I also found that the the kick back seems to happen when it's overly primed, so am now very careful to just prime a little and use the choke to finish off. Only remaining issue now is the oil leak... basically from the block to the exhaust. Copper max works for awhile but it then leaks again. Oh and a buddy of mine has fixed he idle issue by filing the carby butterfly with a little notch near the low jet.. I can leave it idle for 20 minutes now without fouling up..! Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notch Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 At one time I installed a Dynema pull cord on my PA125. The kickback was so bad that I had to go back to "normal" starter rope. So seems there is quite a bit of give in some ropes and not in others. Bungee works too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredOfHeights Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 At one time I installed a Dynema pull cord on my PA125. The kickback was so bad that I had to go back to "normal" starter rope. So seems there is quite a bit of give in some ropes and not in others. Bungee works too Oh so kick back is normal? I didn't know that hmmm Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67Camaro Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I have a non flash starter on order, not sure when itll be here, has to come from polini themselves as nobody had one in stock in the US that I could find. Is there a special method to starting without the flash setup? Other than itll be harder to pull now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredOfHeights Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 It now works as per "normal" ie you pull hard and fast. I believe many of the issues I see with the flash breaking are caused by people "yanking" them. It's really not hard to pull over with the manual start, but I find the bungee really works well particularly for in flight starting as you can hook your thumbs in. Fitting it peoples mileage varies. I found that I had to put the billet spacers on the outside like a washer (will make sense when you look at it or I can take a photo). Also you may need to put a washer or two on the center part of the housing that the wheel sits on to space it out, again mileage varies. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touch107fm Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 FYI For those looking to replace there non flash starter.. Do bother with polini's rebranded Briggs and Stratton Starter Recoil Get a GENUINE Briggs & Stratton like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-Briggs- ... 5d3e49ec03 Exact same as the polini one, most lawnmower places can source one. I got one in an hour of looking for one. Don't be tempted to buy non original, I can confirm there are shite and made of Swiss cheese !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaredOfHeights Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 AWESOME..! Thanks for sharing. Bit more expensive to get here in Australia, just wanted to double check this is definitely the right part number before I order one. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67Camaro Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 FYIFor those looking to replace there non flash starter.. Do bother with polini's rebranded Briggs and Stratton Starter Recoil Get a GENUINE Briggs & Stratton like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-Briggs- ... 5d3e49ec03 Exact same as the polini one, most lawnmower places can source one. I got one in an hour of looking for one. Don't be tempted to buy non original, I can confirm there are shite and made of Swiss cheese !!!! Why the heck didnt you post that a week ago? My polini one shipped last night finally. Now if I can get someone to answer about adjusting the thor100 clutch.. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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