thetroff Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Hi all Has anyone played with the Paramania GTX? Will buy one but would love first hand comments/reviews. Thanks all Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I have had a go on the GTX The wing comes up super fast... Take off run was short even on my V5. Very Very Agile almost as agile as the GTR Regards Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outkast Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I have had a go on the GTX The wing comes up super fast... Take off run was short even on my V5. Very Very Agile almost as agile as the GTR Regards Mark Mark was it the 22 you flew,? if so did you find you had to put more power on than when on your speedster? I am just thinking wether it would give good fuel economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Hi Dave Yes it was the 22m I did find i have to use full power to maintain with my V5 on full trim and bar.. Saying this it is 2m smaller than my Speedster and i am only climbing 100fpm max on full trim and bar. I would have to do a proper eco flight too compare it too my 24m speedster that gives me 3.1lph on full fast trim. (no Bar) There were allot of things i liked about the GTX But A few things i didn't . Horses for courses...., 75kg pilot on a 24m speedster V5 combo and an 85kg pilot V5 GTX combo flying side by side , Speedster was slower on slow trim and I (75kg Pilot) was faster on trim and bar?? But the GTX was much more agile when you wanted to throw it around. Very solid feel Going to be a Hard wing to beat in FAI comps.. But for XC i think i would still stay with my speedster for now. I do want another go when it gets thermic. The Launch is stupidly easy... I recon you could even launch it with a tail wind!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outkast Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Thanks Mark, i was thinking of changing to a gtx from my nuc but did mot want to go back to a small wing and ceap economy, my last wing was a 23 revo 2, proberly keep the nuc for a few months more. Reason i was so interested in how it flew for you is that i will be looking to change my motor after this summer, and will almost certainly be going for the v5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think allot of people will be going over to four strokes soon!!! Personally i would say at my weight 75kg the 22m is smalest size you could possible get away with with the GTX and V5 combo. 24m would be better as the 24m speedster is about perfect for my weight and available power. Dave Have you had a go on the Speedster yet?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outkast Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 No mate once the weather sorts itself out i will have to have a go of yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I do have some plans to come up and fly with Matt and Clive when the weather get better.. your more than welcome to have a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetroff Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 Thanks for your input guys. Would the gtx 22 be sufficient with a Pap125 and a 67kg pilote I'm after speed but no necessarily some super reactive wing as would be the GTR. Very jealous about those who can give it a go before committed :0) Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outkast Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 I do have some plans to come up and fly with Matt and Clive when the weather get better.. your more than welcome to have a go. will see you soon then mate dont think canewdon is a goer at the moment, too much water on the field, two tree looks ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Hi Thetrof I am not sure how much thrust the ros has Bailey Has 60kg i am 75k and the 22m was the limit IMO for the V5... Just level flight on full trim and bar. IMO the GTX was AS Agile as the GTR I tried it straight after... May be a little les... But was only a 30m blast IMO always try before you buy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetroff Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 Hi morgi Thanks for your input. You are correct- need to try one. Hopefully soon if the weather eventually sort itself out. E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 We now have a couple of GTX's in stock... Itching to take one out for a blast.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outkast Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 We now have a couple of GTX's in stock... Itching to take one out for a blast.... What size Mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clivefreeman Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I will take a guess and say they are both 22 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 22m's in stock 24m wont be here for a few weeks. At your weight Dave you should be on a 22m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outkast Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I agree Mark but as i said previously i dont want to small again and loose to much economy, will wait to see how the 24 pans out once a few people have been flying it for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukebanks1 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I was the 85kg pilot that flew with Mark on the V5 and the GTX 22m My thoughts: At 65kg on a PAP Pa 125 you'll have plenty of power! It seemed significantly less efficient than the Speedster probably because it has so much reflex. I turns and looses height in the turn like the GTR It oscillates like the GTR in hands off flight and in my opinion would not be much good for XC flying as a result! I definitely felt underpowered on the V5. But had plenty on the Speedster 24 and can maintain height on speedbar on my V5. I free flew the 24 speedster the other day at 5kg above max placarded weight and it was brilliant. (I'm 85kg naked.) Having said all that the GTX launches very easily and is no doubt a fun wing to fly. I have just ordered an Ozone Slalom 21...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) Flown my Paramania GTX 22 a couple of times now. I'm 85kg flying the AirConception Titanium Moster with 75kg thrust. Lovely wing. Very fast. 40km/h on slow, 60km/h on fast trim, 70km/h speedbar. No oscillations at all. Yes with no opposite brake it dives which is great fun something I enjoy. Using some opposite brake you can limit this dive as much or little as you want. Handles very similar to the GTR. Feeling wise I would say it is a little softer than the GTR. The brakes are lighter but get heavy quickly the more you pull. Tip steering is excellent. Can do wing overs on tips alone. Tips give enough feedback to tell you some of what's happening when flying in challenging conditions. I would say at 85kg the 22m is an advanced wing. If you are lighter I would say it broadens its user ability. If you are unsure then wait for the 24. I expect good economy and some good distance with the speed. Edited March 1, 2013 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Hi Vince Both my self and Luke suffered with oscillation. ??? could be our set up?? We will have to try it out again.. As i flew side by side with luke i am the lighter pilot by 10kg on the bigger 24m speedster. I was slower on slow trim and faster on fast trim and fast trim and bar ? My ave speed is 60kph Did you measure it correctly. Even at 75kg i thought the wing was an advanced wing. Diving on the turn is just pilot/user Error as vince said you need opposite brake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I like dive, it's fun Dive and swoop.. Yes GPS 60km/h defo. It was pretty much my average speed. Yes on full slow it still felt fast. Hands off speed. Have a look at my launch and ground speed. This was full slow. [youtubevideo] [/youtubevideo] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 you said 70kmh??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Yes 70k on bar 60km/h on trims out hands off. Next time I'm up I will check again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 70kmh have to see that vince!! When you say average you mean you have flown in both directions added them then divided by two?? Whats your all up weight on the 22m GTX 115-120kg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurfBird Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Vince. I see in the video that it looks like you transport your paramotor fully assembled on a bicycle carrier? Is that correct? I have the same paramotor but was worried the carbon spars would break supporting the whole weight like that. Have you had any problems? Driven on any rough roads or at highway speeds? Love the light weight and compact size when disassembled but my primary flying field is only 5 minutes from home and I'd love to not waste time assembling and breaking down every flight. Oh yes. Thanks for the video as the GTX is on my short list to replace my Revo2 and I'm looking for any info I can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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