garyfreefly Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I think I might have missed some rule change and we can now all launch from wheels http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/flymecc-carbo ... 139wt_1270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Hummm, a little naughty me thinks. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 More than naughty its lies. You DO need a licence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowellStevens Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Excuse my ignorance, but what license us needed to fly one of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richwill15 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Because its no longer foot-launched you need the same licence as flying a SSDR microlight. That will also include wing registration marks. http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP393.pdf The pilot must be in possession of a valid NPPL M (Microlight) licence The National Private Pilots License (NPPL) has been available since July 2002. The responsibility for dealing with the NPPL M (Microlight) customer enquiries rests with the British Microlight Aircraft Association (BMAA). The NPPL is a sub-ICAO licence and therefore is restricted for use in G- registered aircraft within UK airspace in VFR conditions. The NPPL M is issued with lifetime validity and the minimum age for applicants is 17 years old. The licence cannot be used for any income- earning use, except instructing. The medical requirements for the NPPL will be similar to current microlight practice; sign-off by your own GP to a standard equivalent to the DVLA's Group 1 or 2 (private or professional driver) standards. For More information look at the NPPL website here http://www.nppl.uk.com/index.html NPPL M syllabus here http://www.nppl.uk.com/Syllabus/NPPL%20 ... on%202.pdf If I'm wrong I'm sure the rest of the guys can get you the right info. Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 You also need a noise certificate for the motor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybound Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 And only CAA licensed instructors can give instruction for Microlights or Paraplanes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowellStevens Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Thanks for the clarification everyone, not really keen to fly one at the moment, was just cusrious and didnt know you needed a license as i thought it fell within the same category PPG? Surely a "paramotor retailer" should know better advertising something like that to the public? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko330 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 foot lauched trike therfore not regulated ? i though that if you can prove that you can take off with your feet all is good as its still comes under ppg {fla} and in the book of definitive wisdom it states you cant take off with wheels but you can land with them ? im confused [youtubevideo]foot launch paratrike Gofly Revolution Paratrike Quixo sky 100[/youtubevideo] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richwill15 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 foot lauched trike therfore not regulated ? i though that if you can prove that you can take off with your feet all is good as its still comes under ppg {fla} and in the book of definitive wisdom it states you cant take off with wheels but you can land with them ? im confused [youtubevideo]foot launch paratrike Gofly Revolution Paratrike Quixo sky 100[/youtubevideo] but i don't think that type of foot-launched trike is the one advertised in the initial post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko330 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 had another look and yep thats defo a flymecc mini trike {mk1} with the carbon 100 lc clipped to the back, but what i was asking is if its still a foot launch if you can launch from the feet with it on your back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyfreefly Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 I asked the Ebay seller the question That How can you sell this paramotor trike saying that you dont need a licence to use it when infact you do...... and this is his answer Correct, but with this mini trike its possible to take off as a traditional foot launch therefore not requiring a nppl, and if it can be proved that it can be done and videoed (which we have done) then the regulation stands as a standard FLA (foot launch aircraft) we ran this by the CAA complete with video and they accepted all the above I think I would like to see the video that he goes on about...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I think I would like to see the video that he goes on about...... Me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Looks like a foot and wheel launch in that video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgy Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 ARRGGHH yes but you only have to do it once and video it then you can just take off on the wheels all the time who is going to know!! Where theres a law normally there is a loop hole... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 It does look as though it could be foot launched looking at it. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko330 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 theres a lot of "i think" and "maybe" going on but no definitive answer of YES or NO if it is a loop hole in the law of trikes then why attack it or the seller ? surely it opens the paramotoring world up to others that would not normally be able bodied enough to perhaps land heavy or fast. and if they say that theres a video and letter why ridicule it ? a little childish and bitchy i think. it makes me laugh when people put the caa link on a thread like they know whats printed on all the masses of pages i personally know two pilots that would love a trike that you can foot launch and then land on wheels due to them having previous knee injury's that cannot sustain any type of heavy impact without been in pain for the rest of the day. and as simon once said "wise words from my farther" most people attack things because they don't understand or are afraid of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko330 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 ARRGGHH yes but you only have to do it once and video it then you can just take off on the wheels all the time who is going to know!! Where theres a law normally there is a loop hole... well said that man ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I would have one for the fun of it, and somewhere to carry some kit, assuming it was foot launched of course. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helimed01 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Here is a short but informative piece from the Bailey website ref trikes and legal requirements. Has links to larger CAA documents for more info. http://www.baileyaviation.com/TO%20DOWN ... %20pdf.pdf Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bholleran Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Here is a short but informative piece from the Bailey website ref trikes and legal requirements. Has links to larger CAA documents for more info.http://www.baileyaviation.com/TO%20DOWN ... %20pdf.pdf Regards I still dont think this is the full story as the way I read the above link it was using the trike to take off using the wheels. It does not talk about foot launching a trike. And landing on the wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richwill15 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 The ANO (2009) section 255 doesn't specifically mention a foot launched trike. So I'm guessing it's open to interpretation. But what do I know? http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2009 ... e/255/made And the full ANO http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2009 ... tents/made The BMAA site still seems to refer to the ANO from 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helimed01 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Before I started PPG I flew a powered hanglider. It was / still is, a solo 210 on a trike with wheels of course. I made a harness to try and see If I could foot launch it which was impossible. I did this because I had met a CAA chap during an inspection at the Cornwall air ambulance base. He made a call to somone in the know and at that time the following stood: If you can foot launch from a flat level field in <5mph wind it is then a foot launched machine (you have to evidence it if asked) even if you use wheels to launch and land, therefore no need for PPL M etc. This was in about 2004/2005. There we have it: thats good enough for me. I also asked the CAA inspector out of interest what would happen if someone was flying an ultralite / microlite without license. He said probably not a lot, he might have his machine confiscated and scrapped!!!! I think he had a good idea what I was up to. Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko330 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 so the flymecc mini trike combo doesnt need a nppl ? cause it can be foot launched i have one of these rigs if anybody would like to try one out gime me a ping marko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flymeccuk Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Heres a short vid of a take off on foot with a flymecc trike. Sorry i couldnt work out how to embed a youtube video What do you think? Legal foot launch or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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