custom-vince Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 The KobraPPG Enjoy. an EasyUP EN-A paramotor wing manufactured for Kobra by ITV. [youtubevideo] [/youtubevideo]Its fast and lively with a margin of passive safety. Aimed at beginner / intermediates. I really enjoy flying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilzy Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Vince its such a cool wing design are you bringing it to the flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 I plan to get down at least one day out that week end and yes for sure I'll have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon101 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 It does look really nice Vince. Sounds like a great first wing with lots of safety, giving confidence to new pilots. Ground handling is a winner for this sort of wing I think by not having it pitching and pulling all over the place. Winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilzy Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Just been pointed out to me but Mr Kelleher might like this as a personal wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Hi Vince, Whats the spec on it? Speed, trimmers in / out, sink rate, and so on and so forth.... Not an attempt to catch you out just interested as I tend not to buy a wing based on how it looks. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon101 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 C'mon its gonna sink like a brick and be fairly slow...but rock solid I bet. It will still be too bumpy for Matt though Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Actually I was thinking float like a feather but be slow and turn a like a boat. I would be interested to know many things about this PPG wing in the main, the above and... what is the development background? or what is it based on, is it a reflex wing or a hill wing with trimmers? Info please???? Pretty pictures do sometimes cut it with me but not with wings SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon101 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Vince will have to confirm but I think this one has trimmers and is one of those in between confused wings with "semi reflex". It looks like a pepperami wrapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clivefreeman Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I think they are made by itv , or was it bbc1. No def ITV !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Hi Clive, It is made by ITV but what my question is, is.... Did they pick a PG wing and decide to call it a PPG wing by adding some trimmers and a Kobra sticker... Or did they design the wing as PPG wing specially for Kobra from scratch? There are loads of PG wings out there with trimmers on that are not 'true' PPG wings. The GIN Bolero ( or Paramania Go Fly ) is a great example of this. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatix Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I would be interested to know many things about this PPG wing in the main, the above and... what is the development background? or what is it based on, is it a reflex wing or a hill wing with trimmers? Info please???? Pretty pictures do sometimes cut it with me but not with wings SW It is an ITV Boxer. Semi reflex designed specifically for paramotor. Max speed 53 km/h. Trims out 48 km/h. Trims in 39 km/h Sink rate 1.2 m/s http://www.para2000.org/wings/data/itv-boxer_pub_uk.htm http://www.itv-parapentes.com/en/products/paramotor/boxer.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 BBC Ha Ha.. yes its an ITV Boxer that can be packaged with the KobraPPG motors. (venom and enjoy £6200) EN/A beginner safety. but not a slouch and not a boring wing at all. Happy for you all to try one. I have Medium and Large. Its really good fun to fly and a real doddle to launch being only 5.2kg and dominicotex fabric is shiny and feels great. Sink rate is 1.2 m/s which is average by most standards but pretty excellent for an en/a wing. speed in km/h 53 accelerated 48 trim 39 slow it is described as semi reflex, how far this goes is already a discussion, it has some, I will try find a photo but reflex wise it is nothing like a revo2 for example. Handling though is really really good, its a real throw about wing and does not feel like a beginner buss but also has loads of passive safety. Full slow it has plenty of glide. Full trims out it comes down quick. The medium 26m is 70-95kg pg upto 130kg for paramotor. (I like the medium 85kg pilot) The large 28m is 90-120kg pg upto 150kg for paramotor. It is a genuinely good wing. not to be compared with Fusion type reflex wing.. its different, like I said you are welcome to try and I will listen to your comments and findings. All who have tried one have come down smiling with a genuine surprised reaction and the ENJOY name fits in well. SW its roots are in paragliding and you can feel it when flying. I liken it to a ford focus, its really easy to drive and live with but it also corners really well. Great for beginners and the steering is light and responsive which will keep them interested. Great for intermediates who like the passive safety aspect of an en/a wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 oops I was a bit slow off the mark there, spent to long typing my reply. Yes a bit like a gofly. Safe wing with trimmers and speedbar. All pretty to match your KobraPPG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon101 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Impressive stats for all that safety. I take it all back about sinking like a brick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnrw Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Anymore info on the wing? How would it compare to a Apco Karma SP? Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 I haven't flown the APCO Karma. All I can say its the best handling EN/A I have tried. Wait for other to try it and see what their comments are. Essex fly-in very soon. hope weather is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 What other EN (A) wings have you tried to compre it against? SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 Good point. I should rephrase that. The Enjoy is one of the nicest wings I have flown and it is EN/A. I have flown EN/A wings, I generally try to avoid them as they are like what was said before, stodgy, slow, heavy feeling etc. I have flown various wings over time, a,b,c's dhv 1,2,3 to uncertified. Old stuff that is not relevant today, edel sabre, freex moon, matrix, g-sport some of the old favorites, re-actions, synthesis, revolutions...etc and I fly tandem. I haven't flown everything there is but point is, it is light in the hand and turns nice, fun, safe. I like it and am well pleased / surprised. Still got my Fusion and also rave about the Revo2. Im a great believer in different things for different pilots. Hope one day you get to try one and see what you think, pleasantly surprised i would hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnrw Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Can't wait to see the reviews, sounds like great all around wing. How's the handling for carving it up? Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wimdierckx Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Test of the Kobra Enjoy or ITV Boxer in Paramoteur+: http://www.itv-parapentes.com/en/gallery/presse/171-test-boxer-paramoteur-0511.html Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted June 22, 2011 Author Share Posted June 22, 2011 Yes I've seen that one, shame it's in French, would like to know what they are saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtroc67 Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Looks like a very favorable review. My attempt at a translation: ITV BOXER TEST Following on from the Dakota, a very good price/quality ratio, the ITV Boxer is ideal for inexperienced pilots, particularly through a high inherent stability. FOR ALL AND ALL TERRAIN… Look + Convenience, accessibility + Steering playful handling + Passive Safety - Simultaneous use of throttle and trim not recommended ITV had marked its first foray into the semi-reflex market with the Dakota, its first paramotor wing dedicated to introducing the semi-reflex in its range. The Boxer comes to market with large assets to attract pilots right out of school and, much later, for those who want to fly for fun in peace. The Boxer is available in the traditional ITV paragliding bag of 130 liters. It is equipped with multiple pockets, a large front, small on top and a stretch mesh on the side wall. A bag and a UV compression strap and a small bag for the risers are also provided. VERY SECURE DUE TO INHERENT STABILITY Approved for EN-A certification, the Boxer is a wing with high passive safety and a pronounced semi-reflex profile. Understand the inherent stability introduced into the design is more significant than for the Dakota. Equipped with 42 cells, the wing is equipped with 4 risers with lines for trimmers, each color-coded. The mallions are equipped with plastic safety devices. The brakes are generously large and comfortable. Nice development in magnets that have been replaced since the Dakota with more powerful ones and are no longer failing when handling risers. This does not let go! We are no longer plagued to recover brakes that have fallen into the lines. The binding order / halyard swivel is equipped with pulleys that avoid getting twisted with use... The lifting of the Boxer trims are equipped with calibrated markers. Two sewn yellow markings indicate neutral and 2/3 trim. Between each one marking gray stitching provides a means of tracking precise adjustment of the trim. These contain a strap at the end for convenient handling. LIGHT: BETWEEN 5 AND 5.6 KG ITV offers an optional riser set exclusively for free flight use. The Boxer lends itself nicely to it. The upper lines are made out of Aramide 160 and the lower ones are Aramide 240. The risers are different colors, convenient for a quick identification and implementation preflight. Anchoring the suspension lines on the underside is a lark's head knot with cloth reinforcement. Velcro openings are implemented in the trailing edge to remove debris. Next the sail cloth used for the manufacture of the Boxer is Dominicotex coated, 40 g in the upper surface and 35 g for the lower surface. An excellent textile says Bertrand, the boss of Rip'Air, consulted on the subject and who’s enlightened opinion is invaluable. The wing is lightweight with 5 kg for the S version to 5.6 kg for the XL. The Boxer is available in four sizes (S, M, L, XL) for PTV (flying weight) from 80 to 180 kg. Heniu Dyduch, the boss of ITV, has proposed the M for this test. With 26 m2 surface area and a PTV of 120 kg, wing loading for the test was 4.61 kg/m2. Color-coded suspension lines and location of the trimmers makes the pre-flight easy; a first advantage to address the flight without stress and with serenity. There is only a single length of grip on the trimmers but a double loop. Split rings for the speed system are fast and easy to implement. QUICK SUPPORT Facing forward or reverse, with or without wind, inflation is a treat! The wing effectively comes up easily and uniformly to rest over the head. Inflation is child’s play! With a little air over the wing, without even touching the risers, the wing settles comfortably above the head. Its control is easy and predictable. On takeoff, the management is quick and straightforward, no need here to run yourself ragged. Also a real evolution from the Dakota. The rate of climb with our dazzling Moster 185 is 2.5 m / s at ¾ of engine speed. A fact that was confirmed throughout the test, the Boxer is not power intensive and will suit pilots with standard motors. The need for a monster is not necessary. A WING WHICH ENCOURAGES PROGRESS The Boxer exudes a feeling of solidity. In turbulent conditions, the wing absorbs turbulence, it feels cushioned and comfortable. Here we find a part of the philosophy of speed flying wings like the Bip Bip, its cousin, also by ITV. Their profiles specifically tailored to fast flight, often in windy conditions, some violent, and are particularly robust in turbulence. The controls are smooth and range of travel to turn is much lower than the Dakota. The entry into a 360 is obtained quickly after a quarter turn and maintaining the control input. The wing then dives into the turn. Effective, the descent obtained can be easily maintained without precise control of this technique being necessary. The resource is free and easily manageable with a little practice. It will be necessary for the pilot not seasoned with the technique to release the brake gradually coming out of the spiral so as not to cause a situation difficult to manage. This type of wing is, in any event, most tolerant for the training of these techniques of piloting. A nice tool for progress and development... GOOD RESPONSE TO COLLAPSES Trimming the wing past 50 km/h does not require an excess of power, and is responsive in most configurations of reflex. We pushed the beast to its limits, causing a front collapse at full capacity in conditions a little rowdy. Its behavior is very healthy. The Boxer reopens immediately without the intervention of the pilot, without changes in its course, and without significant loss of altitude. The following surge when it reopens and returns to flight is easily manageable. Good to know we can trust in times of crisis! Regarding asymmetric collapses, no surprises again, the wing also holds its course. We must, in this configuration, frankly sink in the hot seat to get it to turn. Behavior is generally quite in line with the specifications of a wing suitable to a wide audience. Although dampened, the Boxer is very playful and maneuverable. A very good alternative to hone your skills before going under a more dynamic wing or well suited to fly long and peacefully. The Boxer is more playful than a sailor on shore. To each his Garden of Eden. LANDING: THE VELVET With or without wind, to put it down is without surprise and is made in carpet slippers! It is important not to abuse the brakes, especially in windy conditions, do not over control! The wing is amortized at will, as in roll pitch, and retains the best trajectory without requiring pilot intervention. There are no unpleasant surprises. In conclusion, the Boxer has a strong number of advantages that should enable it to meet with success just like the Dakota offered in its time and which it will inevitably succeed. Accessible, it offers all the qualities that match the category for a very good price/quality ratio. This should delight many pilots willing to fly in peace under a wing with ease, fun and safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted August 8, 2011 Author Share Posted August 8, 2011 I would say that is fairly accurate from my feelings. How could I say it is that good without sounding like a sales man. KobraPPG Enjoy also makes an excellent package. Can be bundled with any motor including the 4 stroke. Price to be confirmed but expect around £6200 ready to fly with Enjoy wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtroc67 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Great. My dealer has one available for demo and I'm thinking of giving it a try. Sounds like it is a lot of fun. What size should I get with all up weight around 300 lbs. (136 kg) with motor and trike? Probably a large? Currently flying a medium Arcus 2/P with the trike so I like to fly a little heavy on the wing. Thanks, - Jeff T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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