alan Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Hello chaps, I fly the above wing and would like some advice on the trim settings i have made 5 flights so far all with the trims on takeoff settings. I would like to know what other flyers trim their wings to during normal flight as i am planning to fly longer distances soon rather than circuiting, also do you take the trim settings back to 0 to land many thanks Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Hi Alan, personally l take off with trims at take off settings then when comfortable and at a safe height l let the trims right out and into full reflex mode. The whole wing then is more stable. If you like me have WTS, l normally fly with these. On landing its the reverse procedure and land with hands on brake lines as normal. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Hi Alan, I also have a Synth 34. I'm no expert as I have only started flying before Christmas. However, I always take off with the trimmers at 0. Once I get to my cruising height, I open the trimmers out. Normally to the 14-15 setting. I always set them back to zero on landings. I also get some torque steer, which rightly or wrongly I correct with the trimmers. In most cases my right trimmer is set to 15 and the left is at 10. (Can anyone advise on this? I fly a Bailey 175) On take offs, I also find I have to apply a small amount of brake to unstick off the ground and then slowly release the brakes as I climb. I haven't flown with the speed bar yet. I hope this helps. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
learner_driver Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I thought I may as well carry on this thread, as its here already, Does anyone fly at lambourn with a 34 synth? would it be possible to maybe try the wing. I have revo 30. thanks Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Just so you are clear about this.... The reason you did not take off during your attempts was because your motor was not reving up past about a 1/3 rd throttle and you were not running fast enough over the ground as a result dude. Tweek your motor and all will be good (as it was before) Failing that Clive Bunce is your man for the Dudek stuff. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
learner_driver Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Just so you are clear about this....The reason you did not take off during your attempts was because your motor was not reving up past about a 1/3 rd throttle and you were not running fast enough over the ground as a result dude. Tweek your motor and all will be good (as it was before) Failing that Clive Bunce is your man for the Dudek stuff. SW Hi Si thanks for that, I have put my tiny tach on and not changed the settings so when I have a prop - can you sell me one pls I will check its power. my theory is why not make this area of flying easy if you can - I agree more power or more canvas = more easy takeoff. hope to see you up the hill soon, Colin put me in touch with an Ali welder in Stanton, I just need a prop baaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I will order a prop for you today. Lets get pete's head around your carb before you spend ££££'s If I thought for a second that a 34 synth would solve your problems I would say it. I just think that with your motor not reving past 1/3 power you will have the same problem on whatever wing you are flying. It will be a simple fix I am sure. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
learner_driver Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I agree, no power = no fly whatever the weather , how much is the prop and what is the lead time please ? ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macey2kk Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 for what my himble opinion is worth, i had a revo 30 with my macro and you had to run a hell of a lot faster with that than you do with my shiny new synth 34. you gotta love the synth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 It is of course likely that this is the case, The extra 4 meters has to do something right? BUT I was watching Simons attempts at launching and he was running at little more than a fast walking pace with next to nil power input. (at a guess about a 1/3rd) I am just trying to save him some money, as I have seen him launch with full power, a few times now with ease on the Revo, so I know he can do it. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanman Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 The synthesis is a lovely easy wing to launch but the 34 is slightly harder as there is so much area to pull up. Try launching with the trim set to about 3 units fast and it will launch even easier (even in no wind conditions). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macey2kk Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 The synthesis is a lovely easy wing to launch but the 34 is slightly harder as there is so much area to pull up. Try launching with the trim set to about 3 units fast and it will launch even easier (even in no wind conditions). thats interesting, il bear it in mind. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer_Dave Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 That echoes what my main flying buddy found here, with his revo. The wing lagged back when he powered up on zero trim. I could see it clearly and went over to adjust it for him. End of problem. I flew a Revo 30 too and T O speed was similar to my 26 Atis. Trims out speed was similar too but the Atis is s**t loads of fun (for me with more thrust than a boy should have.) I think the Revo would wear better though. It's certainly built for motoring. Thin lines on the Atis. Dont know much about the Synth and not really into big wings but that Fusion sounds versatile. Be interesting to load one up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) I would place my order for a 20 Fusion. (if it ever existed) And sell my 23 to pay for a chunk of it! The 23 takes off and lands SO VERY SLOW on slow trim I would be happy to try a 20. SW Edited June 10, 2009 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer_Dave Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 What were you hanging from the 23 Simon ? I'm 16 stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 110kg 10kg inside of its max range. on the 23 Fusion. Before that was a 26 Revo (which was faster for take off and landing than the 23 Fusion) Before that was the Synth 29 which was about the same as the Revo And my next wing as I say will be a 20, which I expect to be a nats hair slower on slow than a Revo. My point is, I will have lost 9 square meters and still have a slower take off than when I was on a 29. Its not just the size that needs to be considered.... It's also the profile. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcs Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Having watched Simon's take off attempt from a side view I'd say that if he'd kept running another mile or if the ground had simply opened up below he would not have taken off, just was nowhere near fast enough and the engine was nowhere near noisy enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 That's another way of putting it I suppose SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcs Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Yes, of course I'm not complaining about the entertainment factor of it though! Everyone loves a nice bit of carnage after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Having watched Simon's take off attempt from a side view I'd say that if he'd kept running another mile or if the ground had simply opened up below he would not have taken off, ! I know the feeling. Pete b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
learner_driver Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I'm just sorry there were no flames! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I'm just sorry there were no flames! Dont be sorry just be happy there were none Pete b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer_Dave Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 So the Fusion 23 is max 120 kg placard weight for pg or with motor AUW Simon. ? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_b Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 So the Fusion 23 is max 120 kg placard weight for pg or with motor AUW Simon. ?Dave PPG Weight Range Fusion Size (m2) 23 = 60 - 120 26 = 70 - 140 29 = 80 - 160 Pete b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathboy Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 So the Fusion 23 is max 120 kg placard weight for pg or with motor AUW Simon. ?Dave PPG Weight Range Fusion Size (m2) 23 = 60 - 120 26 = 70 - 140 29 = 80 - 160 Pete b Hmmm, don't get to carried away with these numbers, they do not mean it behaves the same top and bottom of the range. Please, please, please us common sense, and IMHO what has been 'proven' in the real world, in all conditions, on each wing sections v loading. This can take years. Accidents are usually a combination of circumstances that multiply then bite. I'm not saying don't fly small or highly loaded wings, but please consider it with an open mind. Two very experienced people flying 'small' wings have had fatal accidents. Cheers Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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