Magnus Törnvall Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I'm trying to figure out what options I have for a new paramotor setup. It's going to be based on Top 80 (most probable) , Atom 80 or EOS 100. Air conception claim that their delta 140 frame weights in at 2 kg, which makes it a good candidate for my setup. Do you know the actual weight of the frame? What motor options do I have on this frame? Are any or all of the motors possible to mount of the frame? That is, without having to manufacture your own conversion plate. Speaking of conversion plates. How would one go about making a conversion plate? Especially when weight is prioritized. What is the engine mount schema/geometry for Air conception engines? That is, the distance between the mounting points. Are there any better options around? I appreciate any and all information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I’ve put a eos 100 in a AC titanium race frame , got it down to 16 kgs , pays off on when I’ve fluffed a launch and have to reset the wing , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Törnvall Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 That's exactly what I want to hear. What did you have to do to the frame to mount the EOS 100? Also, how are you liking the engine? Had any problems or found any dislikes yet? It seems the motor had some issues to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Didn’t want to alter frame , adjusted eos mount to suit frame used the original Ac iso mounts , no engine plate needed , engine was a pig to start at first , changed carb diaphragms also raised pull starter pulley higher up the frame so the motor flicked over quicker , swap pull cord for a old A line I had , get loads more on the starter pulley , just something I wanted to try , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Törnvall Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 Can you post some pictures of how it's mounted? Eos says that the 100 booster has 210 mm between mounts. What's the distance on the frame? I'm guessing it's the same distance on all AC frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I’ll have to check the centres , it was a while ago I fitted the motor, No the best of pics but general idea if you in large pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Törnvall Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) Excellent, thank you. Did you have to make the spacers yourself? Does it have a balanced feel when flying? Have you had fine-tune the mounting at all? I got ahold of the AC engine drawing. I'm curious to hear from an expert on this. Are the engines similar enough that it makes sense to mount the EOS on the AC frame? mounting-drawing-nitro-tornado.pdf Einbaumasse_EOS100-Booster.pdf Edited February 23, 2020 by Magnus Törnvall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Feels balanced enough, doesn’t tip back or forth when going to full throttle and visa versa , no torque steer on a rapportair 24 but theres some on freeride 19 but weight shift cancels it , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Törnvall Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 Did you make the plates (or whatever you call them) yourself? The plates that make it fit the frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Yes . I’ll get a pic of them , your get the idea straight away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Törnvall Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, cas_whitmore said: Yes . I’ll get a pic of them , your get the idea straight away Excellent, thanks a bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotan Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Hi Magnus Have you considered the latest 2020 EOS150 instead of the older EOS100 Booster for just a little extra cost? Rob Ferrero at www.wasppg.com can give you all the help you need in fitting the engine, mounts etc. With that and cas_whitmore's help you will be up and away in no time with a lightweight and powerful engine. cheers, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Actually Paul is right , if your starting with nothing, buy the unit ready to go , eos will probably end up in My Miniplane , and I’ll try 150 in the AC frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Törnvall Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 hours ago, cas_whitmore said: Actually Paul is right , if your starting with nothing, buy the unit ready to go , eos will probably end up in My Miniplane , and I’ll try 150 in the AC frame Well, I live in Sweden so ordering the whole unit from the UK is not what I'm after. Besides, half the fun is planning it out. 3 hours ago, Shotan said: Hi Magnus Have you considered the latest 2020 EOS150 instead of the older EOS100 Booster for just a little extra cost? Rob Ferrero at www.wasppg.com can give you all the help you need in fitting the engine, mounts etc. With that and cas_whitmore's help you will be up and away in no time with a lightweight and powerful engine. cheers, Paul I don't see myself needing the extra power on this unit. If I did I would probably go with the nitro 200 as is. I have reached out to Robert to see if he can help with a "convertion kit". Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Törnvall Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 You guys both use the EOS engines. What is the fuel economy like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 ltrs hour on the 24 rapportair and easy 2.5 on freeride probably a tad more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Törnvall Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 22 hours ago, cas_whitmore said: 2 ltrs hour on the 24 rapportair and easy 2.5 on freeride probably a tad more Those are some good numbers. Do you have the latest updates to the motor? Do you know if their updates have improved fuel efficiency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 To be honest I don’t follow what eos are up to , didn’t know there were updates , had a couple of issues with mine but sorted those my self , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Törnvall Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 23/02/2020 at 16:41, cas_whitmore said: Actually Paul is right , if your starting with nothing, buy the unit ready to go , eos will probably end up in My Miniplane , and I’ll try 150 in the AC frame So you have both the AC race and Miniplane frame? How do they compare? Is it the ABM frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Yes Miniplane ABM , can’t find any negative issues with it , it’s very comfortable to wear never had problems with spares ,I do service it more than I should though I’m 70 kgs gets me off the ground easy enough on my rapp, or Freeride , AC ,EOS 100 , noticeable lighter than above , comfortable even in those hot summer days , get your gear to other side of field in one trip , climbs a lot better but it is lighter , engine feels more on the pipe compared to top 80 above , but still going strong got the carb dialled in eventually and starts with no fuss . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just to add you can’t power launch with these frames , , the hoop/ring will flex enough to hit the prop , but you do need to if you get trained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Shotan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, cas_whitmore said: Just to add you can’t power launch with these frames , , the hoop/ring will flex enough to hit the prop , but you do need to if you get trained Power launching with the WASP has no issues at all. The frame does not flex enough for a prop strike... nowhere near! Poor technique will destroy any frame if you try hard enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Agreed , Get trained save your self a small fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 hours ago, cas_whitmore said: Just to add you can’t power launch with these frames , , the hoop/ring will flex enough to hit the prop , but you do need to if you get trained I have been power launching AC for 18 months - it is the only way I can take off with bad back. The Nitro I can use full power and my arms are strong enough to hold the lines clear of frame. The Tornado needs more gentle application of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas_whitmore Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Your frame has a 16 mm hoop , mines 12mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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