Ganbatte Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Does anyone have hands on experience with the Apco hybrid? Their marketing emphasizes very slow launch and land speeds (and pretty slow flight too, which I don't consider a problem), but every brand has a wing or three they describe as "ridiculously easy launch", so who knows? My instructor has opinions only on wings he knows (of course) and that's not one of them. In the best of all worlds, I'll stumble across someone who's familiar not only with the hybrid, but also the spyder 3, another model I'm considering. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonhunny Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I have one, its brilliant. Its definitely the easiest wing I have used for launching, I use it in nil & light wind, its not the fastest wing around, but for an easy comfy ride its great, very stable & you can chuck it around & it self stabilises better than any wing I have flown, due to exposed ribs at back of the wing. Great for free flying also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganbatte Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 Cool, that's kindof what I'd expect from the ad copy, but you never know about ad copy. Thanks for the reply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonhunny Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 yeah, ad is spot on for this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganbatte Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 So you've triggered my curiosity; what other wings have you flown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch130 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I have an APCO NRG20 and it is a very easy wing to launch . The hybrid is much lighter so will be even easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonhunny Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Ganbatte said: So you've triggered my curiosity; what other wings have you flown? I also own hadronxx/nucleonxx & have flown gin falcon & a few more, hybrid is my choice on nil/light wind days, it would be perfect for low hour pilots too, very hard to fail a launch, the light weight is amazing. Its very stable & reassuring, but also fun to fly. I hope they make a faster wing with this technology Edited September 19, 2019 by simonhunny correction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganbatte Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 Thanks a bunch guys, that's exactly the encouragement/confirmation I was looking for. I'm older and slower than my classmates, have stopped faceplanting during tows, but want to give myself every advantage I can initially, esp in nil wind, which is the situation a lot of the time in my area. If I outgrow the hybrid after a little while and make it the fallback wing for nil wind days but switch to something else when I have a little breeze to help launch, that's perfectly okay! :) (But with few people familiar with a hybrid and none available locally to try out, asking for peoples' experiences is the only available alternative to just cutting a check and hoping for the best.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonhunny Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 46 minutes ago, Ganbatte said: Thanks a bunch guys, that's exactly the encouragement/confirmation I was looking for. I'm older and slower than my classmates, have stopped faceplanting during tows, but want to give myself every advantage I can initially, esp in nil wind, which is the situation a lot of the time in my area. If I outgrow the hybrid after a little while and make it the fallback wing for nil wind days but switch to something else when I have a little breeze to help launch, that's perfectly okay! (But with few people familiar with a hybrid and none available locally to try out, asking for peoples' experiences is the only available alternative to just cutting a check and hoping for the best.) I hear you, I am 62 & like an easy run on a nil wind day If I cant reverse my dudek wings I reach for the hybrid. Today is a lovely 12-15 knots seabreeze on Bribie Island so I will probably reach for the hadron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonposner Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 I have an Apco Vista from my days of free flying. I converted it for paramotoring by ordering the correct risers from the company in Israel. I learnt to fly with it. It is the easiest take off and landing ever. Since then I have flown a Revo 2 which is specifically for paramotoring. But I can tell you I have decided to go back to the Apco Vista as it is so easy in nil wind and also in reverse launches. It's the best hybrid out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonhunny Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 'hybrid' is used in a lot of different contexts, I understand the apco hybrid means a merge of single & double skins, which is a 1st I believe. The vista is a great wing, but not a 'hybrid' in the same context of this wing. I hope apco develop a faster reflex wing with this same design. Glad the vista is working well for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicosangeli Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) On 19/09/2019 at 04:20, simonhunny said: I have one, its brilliant. Its definitely the easiest wing I have used for launching, I use it in nil & light wind, its not the fastest wing around, but for an easy comfy ride its great, very stable & you can chuck it around & it self stabilises better than any wing I have flown, due to exposed ribs at back of the wing. Great for free flying also On 07/10/2019 at 09:12, simonhunny said: 'hybrid' is used in a lot of different contexts, I understand the apco hybrid means a merge of single & double skins, which is a 1st I believe. The vista is a great wing, but not a 'hybrid' in the same context of this wing. I hope apco develop a faster reflex wing with this same design. Glad the vista is working well for you! Edited November 24, 2020 by nicosangeli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicosangeli Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 can you please advise on trim settings for nil wind launches? haven’t messed up a launch for ages but today i managed it with the first ever go with the hybrid.. it came up clean and effortless but seemed to hang back all the way until my feet were just off the ground and it stalled on me,.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonhunny Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 12 hours ago, nicosangeli said: can you please advise on trim settings for nil wind launches? haven’t messed up a launch for ages but today i managed it with the first ever go with the hybrid.. it came up clean and effortless but seemed to hang back all the way until my feet were just off the ground and it stalled on me,.. usually slowest trims, but trimmer range is so small it doesnt make much difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganbatte Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 13 hours ago, nicosangeli said: can you please advise on trim settings for nil wind launches? Manual says fully closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicosangeli Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 yes read the manual and launched trims closed... didn’t do anything differently from what i do with my sirocco 2 same size.. just wondering if there’s anything that needs to be done differently for single skin gliders.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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