george1966 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I love our sport as much as the next man but since the nice weather there has been a couple of guys flying from the common which is surrounded by houses and dog walkers. I went and had a word as I keep getting calls asking if its me flying . I said if you just took off and went somewhere it would be so bad but they stay above the common which is going to annoy people I'm sure. I felt like a typical moaner but I don't want it all highlited. Im sure its not legal to fly from common land ? Should i have just let them be or would anyone else said something ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew William Portsmouth Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 No your right, but you will get those who make up there own rules in all sports or activities. But this is at the top end and could be serious consequences .good on you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevsked Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Out of interest, is it legal to fly from common land? Trevor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffw Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Hi George what was there response , I know we all try to be responsible when flying but some times we all get so into what we are doing you can lose the bigger picture, if that makes sense. And when it's pointed out to you it can be quite a shock,!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffw Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Its only about legality, when you're upsetting someone else, keep it low profile and why should anyone moan. Ps lots of houses and dog walkers then that might be very different, just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george1966 Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, geoffw said: Hi George what was there response , I know we all try to be responsible when flying but some times we all get so into what we are doing you can lose the bigger picture, if that makes sense. And when it's pointed out to you it can be quite a shock,!! They were fine about it, I just said if you have to fly from here go somewhere instead of buzzing around the field. I know the difficulty finding somewhere to go in the early days but people will soon get fed up with it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george1966 Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Andrew William Portsmouth said: No your right, but you will get those who make up there own rules in all sports or activities. But this is at the top end and could be serious consequences .good on you Cheers Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidG4 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Where was this? I'm.in Salisbury and would like to get I to pm (I've done some pg) but never EVER see pm drivers to chat to. Ever. It's as if they're the most secretive bunch of humans created. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 We are based at Membury Airfield which is not a million miles away. I am down close to Salisbury next week if you would like to hook up for a chat? SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Davies Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Hi George, I'm the pilot who had the flight yesterday. As far as I'm aware I was not breaking any rules, airspace, notams, and maintained a sensible distance from any structures with take off and landing taking place well clear of spectators. I obviously want to keep a good relationship with the rest of the community, so I'll use this opportunity to open up a nice dialogue between us and anyone else interested. If I have done something wrong, I apologize, but I'm sure we can move on from here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidG4 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Simon, yes. Were abouts will you be? D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I am visiting Parajet and My Pyro supplier which is close to Parajet I can head back via Salisbury if needed (but got a speeding ticket last time I did that!!) lololol SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george1966 Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 On 31/03/2019 at 18:40, Dan_Davies said: Hi George, I'm the pilot who had the flight yesterday. As far as I'm aware I was not breaking any rules, airspace, notams, and maintained a sensible distance from any structures with take off and landing taking place well clear of spectators. I obviously want to keep a good relationship with the rest of the community, so I'll use this opportunity to open up a nice dialogue between us and anyone else interested. If I have done something wrong, I apologize, but I'm sure we can move on from here. Dan not sure if it were you or your brother I spoke to, it will annoy people just buzzing around the common as far from my understanding it against the law to take off from the field.Yes you are correct we do look out for each other and the sport of paramotoring hence why I said if you had no where else to fly from you could of come to my friends field but he only likes 2 or 3 of us there and we must take off and go. I asked other people's opinion as I wasn't sure I should of said something to you or not.People will complain as you are flying from a built up area and paramotors are noisey i live around the corner and could clearly hear you. Where you fly from is your choice but take off and go somewhere is the better option. Cheers George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Pugh Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I'm confident you can't just fly from common land; otherwise we'd have lots of other motor sports all over it, green laning with 4x4's and motorbikes. I think you'll find all motor sports are restricted. In Redditch I see people launching from parks; they get away with it by taking off quickly and flying away. The actual air law says you must fly at over 500 feet above ground, unless you have the owners permission, i.e. coming into land and taking-off. In an actual emergency (engine failure) you can land most places but are meant to find the owner and apologise, making good any damage to crops (with payment). If they have sensitive animals (race horses, highly strung thoroughbred horses, emu's and ostriched, even deer) officially the land owner is meant to have a message that can be read from the air. In Australia this was done with old tyres painted white, spelling out " No Landings Here". Then over people, villages and towns you must fly at 1000 feet above the highest structure and high enough to glide away; so over a huge town, 1000 feet wouldn't be high enough. We are noisy, in the air our noise pollution travels a lot further. Take off and fly away, no-one minds you flying over them at 500 feet once, it can be interesting, but the third time it's just annoying. It's only 9 year old boys that look up and say "WOW" I want to do that!!! Anyone add to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidG4 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Actually the law doesn't say you can fly below 500ft with the owners permission. Rule5 says you may fly.no closer than 500ft to any vessel, vehicle person or structure unless for the purposes of taking off and landing. Formation flying is a different rule and does require prior consent. Common land, or parks, which are different, will have by-laws applicable which may or may not preclude taking of and landing. Most laws tend to be there to avoid nuisance -so taking off and flying away should not cause a problem. There's a piece.of land riund here where hot air balloons often launch in summer. Technically i'm sure its not permitted but thankfully we live in GB not Europe where if it's not permitted it is banned. What I find odd is that although Salisbury is green as a pool table, I never ever ever see paramotors operating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I thought that if there is no "vessel, vehicle, person or structure" you can fly as low as you like. This does not need any permission from land owners as you are not using their land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidG4 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, AndyB said: I thought that if there is no "vessel, vehicle, person or structure" you can fly as low as you like. This does not need any permission from land owners as you are not using their land. Correct. But do remember that (a) you cannot easily see people and (b) some people have agendas which mean they cant tell the difference between a nice fat 1000ft and a dangerous- enough- to- lock -you -up -and- crush- the -aeroplane 100ft. I've also heard of a deaf old general (literally) complain about the noisy dangerous aerobatics performed by...a glider. Caveat Aeronaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I enjoy flying around at about 3' agl. This is usually over the farmer's fields that I fly from, where there are no public footpaths. Sometimes I get to go low at the beach, but depends on the pesky dog walkers. ...which can be seen from miles away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidG4 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 And that's the beauty of paramotor...always landing or taking off so rule 5 is flexible. It comes down to annoyance and scaring folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_grover Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 On the subject of Common Land. Having lived next to the New Forest for years I know that our notion of what 'Common Land' means is a bit vague (a bit like Common-Law marriages). Sadly, pretty much all 'Common' Land is owned by the local authority (or in the case of the New Forest, the National Park). Before that it would have been most likely the Lord of the Manor. It's pretty much a misnomer to think that by being 'common', you/we/I have a right to do whatever we like on it - most bits of common land come with by-laws. Worth asking though (or getting up v early ) That said, when I was in the New Forest, I did have the right to allow my pigs to roam searching for acorns during 'Pannage' in the autumn... I didn't have any pigs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidG4 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Hmmm...so if pigs COULD fly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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