ian5708 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) I have got an airspace map for the Coventry and Warwickshire area where I live. I can see that there is a decent size area I can fly in to the East of Coventry airport below the CTA of 4500'. On the map there is a black chevroned area which I think is an instrument flight Procedures 'zone' with a radio beacon. (see attached picture and area in question marked with a red arrow.) I want to know if I am allowed to fly in or near to this area below 4500'? It's obviously the main runway approach into Coventry airport and not somewhere I would particularly choose to spend any time flying in but I wanted to be clear of of the rules. Thanks, Ian Edited March 31, 2018 by ian5708 Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Hi, I live inside Durham Tees Valley CTA. I often fly under the end of the main runway approach which is 3000 to 6000 and covers some of Redcar beach (I fly off the beach). The planes coming in are clearly visible and always much higher than the 3000. You can fly right up to the circular CTA, provided you are below the outer airspace (2000 to 4000). The hashed part you mention is as you say, for guidance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian5708 Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 Thanks for your help Andy. ? The dotted circle is an ATZ(aerodrome Traffic ZONE) which go from surface to 2000'. Im not sure what the outer airspace is which you refer to (2000-4000)? To the east of Coventry ATZ is the Daventry CTA A 4500'+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian5708 Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 I've just found this on the Legend which refers to the chevroned corridor to which u refer as an IAP. I note that it says any pilot intending to fly within 10nm of this IAP symbol are strongly advised to contact the aerodrome! This would have a huge effect on where I should fly if I have to keep 10nm away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I was referring to the outer layers of Birmingham airport, that extend to just East of Coventry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian5708 Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) Simon W, in your instructor capacity, can you clarify whether I'm OK to fly in or within 10 nm of this corridor? I see that you liked Andy's post but the Legend on the chart may suggest that the zone may have restrictions that I 'should' adhere to. I ask as I am uncertain. Edited April 1, 2018 by ian5708 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 The dashed cone you refer to is not even shown on the UK air-charts that I use! This is a good guide..... https://www.bfgc.co.uk/VFR_Guide.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 The more bothersome air-space restrictions are the solid thin black lines. I live inside the pink airport over Darlington/Middlesbrough, so I fly on the Cleveland hills. That black line is a NOTAM. Clicking on it says "area of intense aerial activity, surface to FL190". Just after flying Monday, two Eurofighters came skimming over the hill!!!! They are based in Teesside airport and often fly here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian5708 Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 35 minutes ago, AndyB said: The dashed cone you refer to is not even shown on the UK air-charts that I use! This is a good guide..... https://www.bfgc.co.uk/VFR_Guide.pdf Yeah my map is a 2017 1:250,000. Thanks for the link to the guide Andy, it's very useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian5708 Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, AndyB said: The more bothersome air-space restrictions are the solid thin black lines. I live inside the pink airport over Darlington/Middlesbrough, so I fly on the Cleveland hills. That black line is a NOTAM. Clicking on it says "area of intense aerial activity, surface to FL190". Just after flying Monday, two Eurofighters came skimming over the hill!!!! They are based in Teesside airport and often fly here. What online chart are you using just out of interest? Runway HD? I'm going to be flying down in Cornwall and I don't want to have any close encounters with any low flying jets from RAF smSt Mawgan or Culdrose! ? Edited April 1, 2018 by ian5708 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 The picture above is from the NOTAM site.... http://notaminfo.com/ukmap I use RunwayHD on my phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Challis Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 ILS approach. Normally 3 degs vertical from the runway threshold. It’s too let you know but if it’s outside controlled airspace then you can fly legally within although be careful. I have had been spoken to by Farnbourgh atc whilst flying fixed wing through the ils approach (not much choice as it’s a pinch point) as if I had breached there controlled airspace. I told them I was squawking there listening code and was outside there airspace but listening in. They backed down and admitted I had done nothing wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian5708 Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) Thanks for the info Kevin. I don't have a radio yet but I should get one and do the radio course. If it's no breaching any rules by flying near or even in it I may well have cause to briefly, albeit at low altitude, 500-1000 just to get to the other side of it. I note that the Legend text does state pilots are strongly advised to contact ATC if going in or near it. That would be well below the controlled airspace above 4500'. Edited April 1, 2018 by ian5708 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Challis Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 You could always telephone before taking off and explain. At least they would know a paramotor was below the approach. I did this before I had a radio when flying close to a military zone (matz) they were really helpful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldamski Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Yes you can fly in this chevron area as long as it’s outside of controlled airspace. It’s simply telling you that you should expect aircraft being positioned onto an instrument approach and you should expect it to be busier than just standard class G airspace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidG4 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) And for info, aircraft on the ILS will be following a 3degree glide, as someone said...but that equates roughly to 300ft per mile. So expect aircraft at 300/600/900/1200/1500 etc at 1/2/3/4/5 miles. Further than that and they'll be lined up at c 2000ft out to a usual max of 10nm. as you see it night at Gatwick etc. Using that info you can plan how to cross the ILS. If you see big aircraft at 10nm or less heading at right angles to the ILS you can probably make plans on the assumption that they will turn into the localiser.. REMEMBER too that aircraft close in will be configured. Thus they will be making more wake turbulence. Fun this, innit??? I cant wait to actually fly a ppg... Out of interest...how much wake.does a ppg leave?? Edited April 10, 2019 by DavidG4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_k Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Not much but it is very easy to fly through your own wake. Just make a tight turn and there it is, just gives you a wobble or little bump. Yes it is fun, that's why we do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian5708 Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, DavidG4 said: And for info, aircraft on the ILS will be following a 3degree glide, as someone said...but that equates roughly to 300ft per mile. So expect aircraft at 300/600/900/1200/1500 etc at 1/2/3/4/5 miles. Further than that and they'll be lined up at c 2000ft out to a usual max of 10nm. as you see it night at Gatwick etc. Using that info you can plan how to cross the ILS. If you see big aircraft at 10nm or less heading at right angles to the ILS you can probably make plans on the assumption that they will turn into the localiser.. REMEMBER too that aircraft close in will be configured. Thus they will be making more wake turbulence. Fun this, innit??? I cant wait to actually fly a ppg... Out of interest...how much wake.does a ppg leave?? Thanks for the supplied information David. It is quite an old post now and I have made a conscious decision just to avoid this corridor out of common sense for maintaining good separation. In relation to paraglider wake, I have done 360 degree flat turns and slow exits out of spiral dives nd have encountered my one wake, which does redult in a bump and a flutter of part of the wing. I have taken assymetic collapses flying through the wake if wings in front of me, but it shouldn't be a big deal if one has a suitable wing for their experience and ability to deal with deflations. Thanks again. Edited April 11, 2019 by ian5708 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidG4 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Interesting on the wake. Thank you D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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