Solstice Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Hi, I am looking to buy my first set up and after all my research I narrowed it down to these two : 1. a Air conception nitro 200 Titanium $7,695 28 HP @8100rpm 165lbs thrust Weight 42.6lbs 1.b Mac Para Charger Wing Size 25 Price $3,200 Total =$10,895 2.BlackHawk Talon 190 25.2 @8300 rpm 170 thrust ( approximately) Weight 54lbs Velocity Core Wing Package deal = $8,995 Which one would you buy for a beginner setup? I'm sure many people has asked this question but it's a bit overwhelming. I also have to pick out a helmet which I have not even started a search on them yet any suggestions is greatly appreciated! I will be flying in both the cold and hot weather. Do they have a helmet that the sheild snaps on and off like motorcycle cycle helmets?and do any helmets have air vents? I would want a good helmet and nothing to cheap. Thanks, Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papagyo Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Solstice, You will not be disappointed with the MacPara Charger, launches super easy and is great to fly, I fly a 31m size. If it was me I would take the Nitro hands down. B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I can only say the Nitro is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Also consider second hand gear for your first equipment. Cheaper and something to start with until you figured out what you really need. About Black Hawk, I don't like how they advertise their stuff, everything is always better than the competition. 10x better, runs cooler, much more power, less sound, more durable. Too much bullshit and when that happens I always stay away. So nothing negative about their products, I've heard good and bad about them, I think they are a bit pricey, but maybe you get lots of extras with the package, don't know. Maybe this is an american way of selling stuff, because I can see the same thing with lots of other dealers just from USA. On the other hand, I see more customers that praise the AC then I see sales pitch from sellers. The users absolutely love them, and some of the pilots who have switched have flown pretty much everything out there. Personally I would consider them. (I don't like a few things about their cages, but that's just me) But there are so many good machines out there so if I didn't buy second hand I would need like 6 months just to compare everything out there. Check kangook, parajet, adventure, fresh breeze, scout, nirvana, pap, pxp, miniplane, SkyMax, Paraelement, R.ultralight. MacFly, Fly Products, Flymecc and all the other brands out there. There are so much more out there then just the current hype, and some of the smaller brands sometimes have the most impressive solutions and features. Think about more than weight, power, price, durability, because everyone will claim that they are best anyway. Look at hang points, comfort, harness details, torque compensation. materials used, read about the alloys. engine details, travel solutions, service, replacement parts and possible upgrades. Do you need a trike attachment? Do you need a bladder fuel tank as an option? What kind of throttle? What do the different brands offer? Right or left hand? When you go over the details you don't have to let others decide for you if you should buy A or B. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solstice Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 15 hours ago, papagyo said: Solstice, You will not be disappointed with the MacPara Charger, launches super easy and is great to fly, I fly a 31m size. If it was me I would take the Nitro hands down. B Thx u have read great things about the MacPara as well... I have not heard much about blackhawk and its a package deal and it's their beginner wing. Thx for tour reply ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solstice Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 14 hours ago, AndyB said: I can only say the Nitro is amazing. Thx Andy I appreciate hearing your opinion about the Nitro.... I have not read anything bad about it yet but blackhawk had mixed emotions. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solstice Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 14 hours ago, Casper said: Also consider second hand gear for your first equipment. Cheaper and something to start with until you figured out what you really need. About Black Hawk, I don't like how they advertise their stuff, everything is always better than the competition. 10x better, runs cooler, much more power, less sound, more durable. Too much bullshit and when that happens I always stay away. So nothing negative about their products, I've heard good and bad about them, I think they are a bit pricey, but maybe you get lots of extras with the package, don't know. Maybe this is an american way of selling stuff, because I can see the same thing with lots of other dealers just from USA. On the other hand, I see more customers that praise the AC then I see sales pitch from sellers. The users absolutely love them, and some of the pilots who have switched have flown pretty much everything out there. Personally I would consider them. (I don't like a few things about their cages, but that's just me) But there are so many good machines out there so if I didn't buy second hand I would need like 6 months just to compare everything out there. Check kangook, parajet, adventure, fresh breeze, scout, nirvana, pap, pxp, miniplane, SkyMax, Paraelement, R.ultralight. MacFly, Fly Products, Flymecc and all the other brands out there. There are so much more out there then just the current hype, and some of the smaller brands sometimes have the most impressive solutions and features. Think about more than weight, power, price, durability, because everyone will claim that they are best anyway. Look at hang points, comfort, harness details, torque compensation. materials used, read about the alloys. engine details, travel solutions, service, replacement parts and possible upgrades. Do you need a trike attachment? Do you need a bladder fuel tank as an option? What kind of throttle? What do the different brands offer? Right or left hand? When you go over the details you don't have to let others decide for you if you should buy A or B. Hi Casper, Thank you for all the great advice. I definitely don't want used equipment. From my experience in life there is to much bad stuff being sold. I even thought about a engine with low hours but then I am concerned if the owner did a proper break in period which is very important. I have researched most of the paramotors that you suggested. I didn't care to much for the torque compensation on the blackhawk because they use the wing to compensate where as AC uses the angle of trailing arms and I would be able to use a lot more wings then on a blackhawk. And I know exactly what you mean when you said blackhawk claims their motors run cooler then any others. I was wondering if it's actually true or just a sales pitch. I believe I will go with the Nitro 200 Titanium and the MacPara wing after hearing from you guys on this post and from my research that I have done and read. I am usually a very very patient man.... But two months ago that all changed when I seen my first video of foot launching a paramotor! ? I can't wait to get into the air!! Thx agian, Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill D Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Awesome Randy. I hope all is going well for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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