Casper Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Yes, this might push some wings over the critical angle of attack. But on the other hand, that just means that you will still climb like crazy when you get to a higher altitude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemberg Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Casper said: 2 years warranty, so who cares? I just want one as soon as possible. Edit: that climb in the video is sick! The warranty is good, but I have made some mistakes in the past. I'll keep my old motor just in case and wait half a year at least. I have to anyway, need to work extra now for a while to get the money. My apartment renovation just might to have to wait some again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Yeah, for me it's six to five every day now For once glad that we are drowning in workload. And the shitty weather actually makes it so much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 Some video of the tornado being flown here on Aviators Poland Trip video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The80s Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) On 10/23/2017 at 13:19, andre_74 said: Yeah - a lot of power for a steep climb. A few of these might end up in a climb/stall/dive/in-the-dirt scenario in the wrong hands! I would assume it's all a matter of moderation and control. You wouldn't just go to full power any time you felt like it. Only under the right circumstances. And you wouldn't keep it going at full power until the point that it becomes dangerous. Those who use this beast smartly and reasonably should be just fine. I know it goes without saying, but I'm just trying to keep myself from being scared away from this thing. I wonder if this will also have the option for a b 2 blade prop instead of the 3 blade prop? Edited October 25, 2017 by The80s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andre_74 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, The80s said: I would assume it's all a matter of moderation and control. You wouldn't just go to full power any time you felt like it. Only under the right circumstances. And you wouldn't keep it going at full power until the point that it becomes dangerous. Those who use this beast smartly and reasonably should be just fine. I know it goes without saying, but I'm just trying to keep myself from being scared away from this thing. I wonder if this will also have the option for a bi-prop instead of the tri-prop? I did say ‘in the wrong hands’. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 none are going to end up in the right hands... anyone who thinks they need 280cc can't be right can they .. Mine was already ordered months ago 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilzy Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Vince you won't need a wing !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I think you are right. Just put it turtle, sit on it and straight up you go! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 well that will just save money on wings, whats not to like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The80s Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 From Eric: Three blade will be standard. More thrust, better efficiency. Lots of testing behind them, lots more ahead of us! (Talking about regular Tornado) I’ll be testing two, three, and four blade variants of the XL this month. (Talking about Tornado XL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 On 2017-10-23 at 22:03, Casper said: Vince, care to explain the difference with the acro arms vs the standard on the air conception? Is 16mm cage standard on the titanium, or is it the 12mm? Is the 12mm flimsy compared to the 16mm? The vibration mounts, have anyone tried with the viking ppg engine mounts on the nitro? was there a big difference? Apco split vs AC/sup'air. Is there a big difference in the weight shift/fun factor? Worth to get both? Will it land above or below ~£6500 with e-start and clutch? What would be the biggest upgrade you could do to an Air Conception when you have purchased one? I'm getting really hungry for this one now... had 17 hours overtime last week just for this I bump this and add, will it be the WB37 carb? Or is it too small? And will it be modified to only factory settings? Will we see clutch and e-start in November? And by the way, have the clutch been reliable so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erlend Madsen Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Wow! This looks like a beast I want!:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Casper Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Release in January... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemberg Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 22 hours ago, Casper said: Release in January... Be glad it's not miniplanes delivery plan I wonder what the waiting time will be for this motor from order to delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Yeah, I wonder the same, maybe it's time to place a preorder. Rosén thought that the first units would ship in December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemberg Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 If you want it as fast as possible I might be a good idea. I'm going to wait a while until it's been on the market for half a year or something so I know it has been properly tested in the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) Some new info from the french forum, they started out with a PESZKE propeller, but will change to e-props, apparently lack of commitment from PESZKE... They are looking at e-prop two blade 125, 130 and 150. And also three blade 130 cm. And also what we all want the hear 36 HP and between 82-90 kg thrust! Edited November 16, 2017 by Casper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share Posted November 19, 2017 Air Conception Tornado 280 throttle balance testing and impressions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom-vince Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 On 27/10/2017 at 17:16, Casper said: Vince, care to explain the difference with the acro arms vs the standard on the air conception? Is 16mm cage standard on the titanium, or is it the 12mm? Is the 12mm flimsy compared to the 16mm? The vibration mounts, have anyone tried with the viking ppg engine mounts on the nitro? was there a big difference? Apco split vs AC/sup'air. Is there a big difference in the weight shift/fun factor? Worth to get both? Will it land above or below ~£6500 with e-start and clutch? What would be the biggest upgrade you could do to an Air Conception when you have purchased one? I'm getting really hungry for this one now... had 17 hours overtime last week just for this will it be the WB37 carb? Or is it too small? And will it be modified to only factory settings? Will we see clutch and e-start in November? And by the way, have the clutch been reliable so far? Sorry I kept missing this.. Acro arms are thicker wall tubing than standard arms, they are a little heavier, other than that they look the same. 16mm is standard hoop tube diameter with nitro and tornado. Viking mounts were horrible, I have tried them in the past with various engines. All on light weight paramotors, so maybe they work ok with a heavy machine. APCO split for me at 6'2" was way to short in the leg, feeling perched. ok for short flights, feels compact. The supair has a much better seat. £6500, oh good question, I dont know exact prices yet £300-400 premium over a nitro. So it should land below £6500 Im not sure on the carb, I do know it has been modified. I dont think you will see clutch or anything much till Jan. Initial clutch on the nitro was to soft and was wearing sooner than expected. The fibre material was improved and the shoes widened and is proving reliable. The Tornado has a similar but new design clutch which will be kept close for a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The80s Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 From Laurent: TORNADO engine Dear pilots. We have heard some speculations about our new engine these last days, so we think it can be important to give some details. Tornado 280 prototypes actually under testing are made with 73mm pistons and 65mm stroke. That make them be exactly 272cc. Final stroke will be announced before first commercial units will be release. To give even more details, we can says that final stroke will be between 64 and 68mm, that will make engine be between 268 and 285cc. Final piston and cylinder bore will stay 73mm. Commercial name of the Tornado will stay TORNADO 280. Best flights to all of you ! Also: You will be able to choose : 2 blabes 125cm, 130cm and 150cm. 3 blades 130cm. All eprops models. And from Eric replying to a question about the Tornado: Any price yet? Next month. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The80s Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 More from Laurent: XL come with 150cm prop, 2 blades, and only this configuration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The80s Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 11/16/2017 at 04:35, Casper said: And also what we all want the hear 36 HP and between 82-90 kg thrust! So I imagine the XL will have 100+ kg of thrust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Or ~90kg because 150cm prop was mentioned when Laurent said the rough specs. No need to hype this any extra, it will still be insane with 82+ kg It won't beat the Thor 250 on thrust, but will be much lighter, and that makes it much more fun and accessible. From e-prop about the Thor 250: Quote - Engine Polini Thor 250 red 2,8, E-Props propellers with diameter 130 cm => 2-blades = thrust of 89 kg 3-blades = thrust of 94 kg 4-blades = thrust of 97 kg By E-Props, the 4-blades propellers have been designed with a special concept to reduce the noise. It is the QD2 concept : a 4-blades composed of 2 x 2-blades with different angles to reduce the noise and increase the performances. Noise reduction in comparison with a standard propeller : about 6 decibels. So if the engine becomes popular I hope we will see a four blade option like the thor 250. But I wonder, is it just noise reduction compared to a standard four bladed propeller or compared to a standard two bladed e-prop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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