DCN Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Hello all, This is my first post so please make allowances. I'd like to ask, in the light of the recent deregulation of single-seat paratrikes, if anyone (apart from Powerchute) is offering ab-initio training? A weak back precludes me from flying foot-launched paramotors or paragliders. I'm based in Epsom, Surrey. Many thanks David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Possibly Chris Hawes at Airways Airsports, but he's at Darley Moor in Derbyshire. I burst a disc in my back some years ago launching on my feet, so I too am limited to a trike (quite happy with that though). Talking to a number of people, I gather that there are quite a lot of unlicensed pilots flying trikes having simply moved across from foot launch. For many, there does still seem to be a bit of uncertainty as to how to get trained if you want to use wheels. I would be really interested in the views of others on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 We have almost finished the PMC syllabus for trike training. It has to be given the thumbs up by the insurance company (which I am sure it will) and I expect to be operational before the end of June. ) SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Will you be good enough to let us all know please Simon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Roger. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Skyschool do trike training. I am considering it this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Indeed they do, but AXA do not provide the required standard of insurance so you still wont legally be able to fly in the UK after that course. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 AXA do provide insurance for PPG. DO they not do trike as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 They may well do, but it has to be of a certain standard if I am not mistaken and the AXA policy does not get to that standard. I will feed more info as I have it but it's all in the public domain if you have the time. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Not sure what you refer to Simon, but I think AXA do ensure trikes (for both PPG and microlight). Their insurance is here http://www.flugschulen.at/axa/english/. The European AXA policy accepts many different approved training qualifications. In the UK it has been narrowed to just BHPA. So if we insure through the UK the training has to be BHPA approved, whereas through AXA Austria (or other European countries), APPI and many other programmes are accepted. AXA accept APPI certification and APPI has a trike training programme. I will double check with AXA before I go trike training! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 From the CAA Doc: Aircraft flying in accordance with this exemption will fall within scope of the applicable European insurance regulations, Regulation (EC) No. 785/2004, since they will no longer be excluded by virtue of their foot-launched status. Pilots must ensure they have a policy in place for flying the aircraft that meets the relevant minimum requirements and carry proof of insurance. The CAA reserves the right to inspect documentation and verify insurance for the purpose of establishing compliance. As I understand it, the AXA policy does not meet the (EC) No. 785/2004 requirements. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Also, the training does not have to be BHPA approved if you learn in the UK. The PMC offers insurance and soon training also If you were BHPA approved, why would you then opt to buy the AXA policy anyway? Just check that a policy you purchase in whatever country you purchase it, it of the required standard as it may save you a headache in the future. I can confidently say that the BHPA insurance and the PMC insurance meet the requirements. The AXA policy seems wishy washy at best and may or may not comply. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Cheers Simon. Having got APPI approved, I would have to jump through some unnecessary (no added value to me) hoops to get BHPA approved. The EU regulation has limitations specified. One is that is does NOT apply to " aircraft, including gliders, with an MTOM of less than 500 kg, and microlights, which are used for non-commercial purposes ". So this reg does NOT apply to trike launched PPG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin (Simon W) Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I think you are incorrect in this case. The paragraph copied above if from the CAA trike deregulation PDF explaining the requirements to fly legally. if would contact the CAA if I were you. SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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