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Has anyone collapsed their reflex wing in reflex mode?


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Has anyone collapsed their reflex wing while in reflex mode? There are plenty of videos showing frontal collapses on freefly wings, but I don't seem to see any with reflex wings?

Just wondering what it took to actually collapse the reflex profile.

My Ozone Spyder manual still recommends I get out of reflex mode and fly actively when I'm in heavy turbulence. But what exactly is "heavy" turbulence? Flying through a thermal? If it's a thermic day should I not fly in reflex mode at all?

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I had a full frontal on a Paramania Revo 1 on half speed bar many years ago during the tip to tip. 

Cause, flying in crappy weather

My actions, by the time I said 'f**k'  out loud it had popped fully back out. 

The entry was very powerful as was the recovery. If 'felt' a lot worse than it looked on camera for sure. 

Because I had height, it was a non event. :-) 

SW :D

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36 minutes ago, admin (Simon W) said:

I had a full frontal on a Paramania Revo 1 on half speed bar many years ago during the tip to tip. 

Cause, flying in crappy weather

My actions, by the time I said 'f**k'  out loud it had popped fully back out. 

The entry was very powerful as was the recovery. If 'felt' a lot worse than it looked on camera for sure. 

Because I had height, it was a non event. :-) 

SW :D

What's 'tip to tip'?

And what do you mean by crappy weather? Like really thermic weather?

And what's the recovery procedure after a collapse in reflex?

In an assymetric collapse on a non-reflex wing you pump a brake on the side that is collapsed. You also ease on some brake to catch the surge on reinflation.

But braking in reflex mode can make the wing even more prone to collapse, so how do you catch the surge or pump out an assymetric collapse on a reflex wing in reflex mode?

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1 hour ago, fuzzybabybunny said:

In an assymetric collapse on a non-reflex wing you pump a brake on the side that is collapsed. You also ease on some brake to catch the surge on reinflation.

that's not completely correct.

On basic non-reflex wings (EN-A / EN-B) after any unusual configuration the first reaction shall be "hands up", and the wing shall return to fly by herself.

 

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1 hour ago, calcifer said:

that's not completely correct.

On basic non-reflex wings (EN-A / EN-B) after any unusual configuration the first reaction shall be "hands up", and the wing shall return to fly by herself.

 

Yeah, sorry, I meant if the collapse doesn't come out immediately and you've already been falling for a bit.

I guess braking on a collapsed reflex wing to reinflate shouldn't be an issue - the wing's collapsed already. You aren't disturbing the reflex profile because the profile is already gone.

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2 hours ago, fuzzybabybunny said:

What's 'tip to tip'?

And what do you mean by crappy weather? Like really thermic weather?

And what's the recovery procedure after a collapse in reflex?

In an assymetric collapse on a non-reflex wing you pump a brake on the side that is collapsed. You also ease on some brake to catch the surge on reinflation.

But braking in reflex mode can make the wing even more prone to collapse, so how do you catch the surge or pump out an assymetric collapse on a reflex wing in reflex mode?

Tip to Tip was when myself and a team of others were the first to fly from Lands End to John O Groats (Southernly most point of the UK to the Northernly most)

Crappy weather, rain, gusts, strong wind. 

Recovery, (nothing) it was flying again before I could get any thought process together. At a guess, it fully collapsed for about 1/2 a second if not less. 

SW :D

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Were flying with my partner in the mountains 4000ft altitude, experienced unexpected change of the weather (gusts), had Apco Lift and Dudek Nukleon, 50% collapse on both wings. Nothing special, quick and smooth recovery. Just avoid flying at termic and gusty weather, at least first 50 hours...

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