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 Post subject: Honda 4 stroke 16HP motor - $923 US delivered to UK
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:59 am 
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Hi all

I've been searching for an affordable 4 stroke PPG engine for a while - having picked up on a previous thread on the forum I have managed to finally get somewhere - see specification and pics below:

ENGINE TYPE: 4-STROKE, FORCED AIR COOLING
CYLINDER #: 1
BORE X STROKE: 70x54
MAXIMUM HORSEPOWER TEST (HP): 16HP/7000RPM
DISPLACEMENT: 208cc
COMPRESSION RATIO: 10.5:1
CARBURETTOR: P20
IDLE SPEED: 1800RPM
IGNITION: CDI
MAXIMUM FUEL CONSUMPTION(L/H): 6000 RPM(2.3L/H)
OIL CAPACITY(LITER): 0.7L
STARTING SYSTEM: RECOIL START
PTO SHAFT ROTATION: COUNTERCLOCKWISE
SUGGESTED PROPELLER SIZE:
REDUCTION DRIVE RATIO:
MAXIMUM TEST THRUST (KG):
MAXIMUM TEST RALLY(KG):
MAX CYL HEAD TEMP (CHT): 220ºC/428ºF
DIMENSIONS:
WEIGHT: 16.5KG(ALL, BUT FUEL AND PROPELLER EXCLUDED)
SUGGESTED SERVICE LIFE: 700HOURS

Am awaiting further technical info such as thrust, prop size etc - but I am seriously thinking of getting one - anybody else interested?

cheers

Shenzi3


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 Post subject: Re: Honda 4 stroke 16HP motor - $923 US delivered to UK
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:35 am 
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leave that one alone its a con.no internal engine mods standard exhaust/carb it will never get you off the ground, etc.no vid of it flying.its been talked about on this form before.build your own and use the bailey kits.there is a gx200 engine on skyads with all the bailey bits and helix prop.much better option if you want gx engine.i have loads of gx bits and my old reduction for sale.if funds are an issue.buy a wiltec gx200 and my reduction will fit..but the bailey kits are the best option.


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 Post subject: Re: Honda 4 stroke 16HP motor - $923 US delivered to UK
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:37 am 
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jock

thanks for the heads up on this


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 Post subject: Re: Honda 4 stroke 16HP motor - $923 US delivered to UK
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 11:41 am 
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shenzi3 wrote:
jock

thanks for the heads up on this

Eggmotor project Honda 4 stroke re-drive and prop
Description Eggmotor built using new Honda GX200 (not clone). Boosted to around 13hp using best quality parts. Complete with Bailey reduction drive and Helix 1.3m carbon prop. 50kg thrust, 2l/hr consumption. Brand new, not run yet. E-mail for details. Just needs fram
Price £1,200.00 asking price and currency

At the current exchange rates this equates to approx:
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1940.75 US Dollars
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Location United Kingdom
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Date Entered 2 I DONT KNOW THE SELLER BUT LOOK IN THE PARAMOTOR SECTION OF SKYADS..............


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 Post subject: Re: Honda 4 stroke 16HP motor - $923 US delivered to UK
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 12:12 pm 
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Is that a petrol strimmer throttle in the picture??? :lol:

Count me in the list of people who are seriously looking at building their own GX200 type 4-stroke motor.

Thinking I could remove the low powered solo 210 from my 130 size walkerjet and graft the 4-stroke in. Or maybe I should just get in touch with Freshbreeze and buy a bigger head, tuned exhaust and beefier prop?

Jock - I've been looking at the Bailey (reduction and exhaust) and GX160parts.co.uk (engine/carb mods) web sites. Are the Loncin and Wiltecs identical in layout and design to the original Honda GX200 so that parts designed to fit the Honda will bolt straight on? I'm assuming that because you are recommending a wiltec engine for your reduction drive that there are differences that we need to watch out for?

Thanks,
Ian.


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 Post subject: Re: Honda 4 stroke 16HP motor - $923 US delivered to UK
PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 12:55 pm 
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only the wiltec crank output shaft is different to the loncin and honda.the bailey bottom pulley wont fit, the dia of crank is slightly different.but bailey would make small pulley if needed. .use the loncin if you are going for bailey bits all other bits are the same in all engines.dont forget to cut 10-20mm of end of crank before fitting the bailey small pulley or you will need prop spacer. make sure you still have enough theard in end of crank so you can fit holding bolt for pulley.also you have to mod the pull cover so engine mount rubbers will fit very easy to do,just bore holes so bolts fit. bailey use the loncin engine..fit billet rod.fit honda alloy flywheel from gx160.mill the head 0.75/fit stainless valves & collets, you can keep standared piston or fit a flat top one.bailey carb kit/exhaust.and a 130 prop is a must. ive just started making frame for the gx200 powered hg.i will have it at the nats.it may or not be ready for flight but it will be there.........


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 Post subject: Re: check out this engine builder
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 10:50 am 
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Hi im no expert in this field but i used to race pitbikes. check out ooracing website as they can build any range of hp that you need from 12 hp right up to 29 hp, i dont know how you would fit prop or if even possible but engines are very identical to bailey in some ways. not that expensive really for top of the range engine say 27 hp i think they are around £899.00 brand new. The guy who owns the company is called Adrian and yes hes british.


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 Post subject: Re: check out this engine builder
PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:23 pm 
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amc1929 wrote:
Hi im no expert in this field but i used to race pitbikes. check out ooracing website as they can build any range of hp that you need from 12 hp right up to 29 hp, i dont know how you would fit prop or if even possible but engines are very identical to bailey in some ways. not that expensive really for top of the range engine say 27 hp i think they are around £899.00 brand new. The guy who owns the company is called Adrian and yes hes british.

Hi fitting prop and redrive is easy.its the weight of the engine thats important.what does the pit bike engine weigh.giving that the gearbox can be taken out as its not needed.lots of paramotors have used motorcycle engines in one guise or another.im sure ive seen vid of pit bike motors beeing used.its not all about hp in a 4 stroke but more of low torque=rpm at given prop speeds.i got 7-8000rpm from the gx200 but as bailey pointed out we only need 6300rpm for max thurst with our redrive and hp.so you dont need to go to wild on hp.no reson a pit bike motor cant be used.


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